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Old 02-07-2019, 03:41 PM   #51
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Re: Is JNANDEZ really good at Omaha?

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That site is horribly inaccurate.
My results are pretty accurate over the last 3 months... His advice is great for micro stakes but he is undoubtedly a high stakes fish
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Old 02-07-2019, 03:42 PM   #52
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Those who can't DO, tEACH....
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Old 02-07-2019, 03:55 PM   #53
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Re: Is JNANDEZ really good at Omaha?

the graph is a pretty small sample vs his career (it definitely isnt looking good...)

does anyone have some info on jnandez true lifetime results?

a few months ago jnandez was playing 200/400 on party, he ran super bad, but he repeatedly bought in fter getting stacked. staking aside this must represent a pretty substantial bankroll. however he has not posted a lifetime graph online, which should be mandatory for coaches

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d39utjB0sGU
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Old 02-08-2019, 01:58 AM   #54
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You realize Joey is joking right? That isn't Jnandez
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Old 02-08-2019, 02:19 AM   #55
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i thought moneymonk was JN posting in the live chat, and Joe ingram was making fun of him for all the mastermind subscriber money he was wasting on these buy ins? is moneymonk someone else
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Old 02-08-2019, 03:23 AM   #56
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Yeah, it's somebody else. Joey was just making a joke
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Old 02-08-2019, 07:36 AM   #57
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lol @ JN playing 40k
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Old 02-08-2019, 03:17 PM   #58
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Yes I think he was also saying moneymonk was vanessa seblst on the stream before he started saying it was confirmed j nandez. It was pretty clear he was joking tho.
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Old 02-08-2019, 03:27 PM   #59
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He is a solid winner in a very big number of hands.
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Old 02-09-2019, 07:35 AM   #60
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Re: Is JNANDEZ really good at Omaha?

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My results are pretty accurate over the last 3 months... His advice is great for micro stakes but he is undoubtedly a high stakes fish
What differentiates Jnandez from those, who win at highstakes?
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Old 02-09-2019, 08:40 AM   #61
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Some people only concentrate on getting better. Others prefer to run in a freezing cold lake and post on social media.
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Old 02-09-2019, 10:05 AM   #62
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What differentiates Jnandez from those, who win at highstakes?
JN almost never plays PLO live.
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Old 02-09-2019, 10:11 AM   #63
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Nandez is a confirmed scarf scammer and contract weasler, do you really want to learn poker from a man with those scruples ?
Stop. Doug Polk, who has the maturity of a 12 yr old when it comes to business relationships, offered a contract which had a 90 day out. JN simply exercised that option. The very fact that Doug has a page on US which uses innuendo to smear JN is an example of Doug's maturity in this regard.
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Old 02-11-2019, 09:02 AM   #64
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What does live PLO has to do with anything?
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Old 02-11-2019, 02:32 PM   #65
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Here's another one from his day one challenge video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uT5XNEcQ70

At 3:17 He has Ac8dKdJh ($124 in the pot) 440 effective.
Flop is QcJc3d

Opponent bets pot, and he says "Well, we aren't going to fold..." Outs are backdoor diamonds to the second nut flush a 10 for the straight and maybe another Jack for trips. I really don't see the call here. The only significant thing he has is the blocker to the nut flush, but is he hoping for a club to fall and then maybe he can bluff the guy out of a bloated pot???
Yes. He will aggressively play the NFB when the board flushes.

Also, aside from this, and the hand odds, there's meta value to floating the PFR both in and out of position, especially if stats show a very high flop C-bet frequency for villain (like > 66%). And if he's prone to giving up on the turn after 1 stab, there are bluffing opportunities.

In the videos he hides his HUD stats, so we don't know what he's seeing.
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Old 02-14-2019, 12:52 PM   #66
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What does live PLO has to do with anything?
8-handed live is vastly different from multi-tabling 6-max zoom. IMO live has greater variance.

JN himself has commented on how it's requires a different strategy.
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:42 AM   #67
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8-handed live is vastly different from multi-tabling 6-max zoom. IMO live has greater variance.

JN himself has commented on how it's requires a different strategy.
But how does it differentiate JN from someone who win at the highest stake?
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Old 02-16-2019, 06:18 PM   #68
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But how does it differentiate JN from someone who win at the highest stake?
JN relies heavily on a HUD and because of the game (6 max zoom) he plays he can play more hands profitably and, comparatively, sees hundreds of more hands per hour.

Highstakes live players make people fold.

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Old 02-16-2019, 06:24 PM   #69
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He's no good. His house and z500 winrate both materialized out of thin air. Just... POPPPPPP magically
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Old 02-16-2019, 08:43 PM   #70
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Highstakes live players make people fold.
Confirmed: no folding in online PLO. /s

From personal experience I would say the main differences I've seen between online and live (both "low stakes") are:

1. Live is considered very short even 5 handed, and the floor will often give reduced rake when starting games like that. Pretty common to have a full table (9 near me).
2. People play very bad wide ranges pre. ... don't be shocked when your raise is called in 5 spots.
3. Buyins and stack sizes will be much bigger. Like buying in for 500bb is somewhat common. Combining with #2 means pots will be a lot bigger too, like get ready for 100bb+ pots on the flop 4+ ways. Was recently at a game where the big winner had over 6,000bb (no, that's not a typo).
4. More general live casino stuff: Almost everyone is 10x worse; Straddles; People walking in from a big win/loss at the blackjack table wanting to gamble; Visibly drunk people sitting down; Worst player at the table will be berating everyone for winning (there's no mute button live); People sitting down obviously only having played NLHE.

Ranges should be altered a decent amount because of the above, esp. pre. and flop. I'm not sure if the variance is higher, mainly because I think the win rates are significantly higher ... saying that I've seen people say similar things about live NLHE, compared on online (I can't win or I can't play because XYZ).
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Old 02-16-2019, 09:57 PM   #71
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Re: Is JNANDEZ really good at Omaha?

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He's no good. His house and z500 winrate both materialized out of thin air. Just... POPPPPPP magically
His winrate over last half of million of hands is 5bb.What are your requirements

for being good?

https://gyazo.com/8333567ff735eb448900053612c1a1cd
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Old 02-16-2019, 10:09 PM   #72
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JN put out a video this afternoon about his results in the challenge. He is pretty transparent and honest about his results, and mistakes he has made. I think it says a lot about his skill as a player that he is willing to fail publicly, and dissect his problems publicly. I was in the upswing plo module, then joined MM at the beginning. Jnandez is a great coach
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Old 02-17-2019, 12:25 AM   #73
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Old 02-17-2019, 11:55 AM   #74
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His winrate over last half of million of hands is 5bb.What are your requirements

for being good?

https://gyazo.com/8333567ff735eb448900053612c1a1cd
I see 3.9evbb and $100k over ev. Pretty mediocre if u ask me.
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Old 02-17-2019, 12:07 PM   #75
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He's certainly better than anyone posting in this thread. Hence the resentment.

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