none of us understand the contract, or what is 'standard' payment structures are in the poker coaching world. the largest coaching sites operate on different models, upswing is the only major site doing these large modules. the online coaching industry is like a decade old.

i think both sides made a lot of mistakes, imo its possible that nando didnt understand how to negotiate the deal he wanted, or that he agreed then wanted more. im not blindly taking his side. i have seen the content by both guys, listened to dougs podcast with joe ingram, and wanted to understand what happened in general

i hope jandez didnt screw some guy and his mom who were making scarves, but i dont have the energy to go through the thread and understand the story. Jnandez isnt perfect, but doug has demonstrated that he can be very malicious and unfair over and over through his content

The more I play, the more I see I have to learn, but aren't these type of hands pretty poor, with the two straight draws? Or a better example would be J1056 ds or not, pretty crap right? You're likely to flop that 36% chance or whatever it is exactly rather than the wrap you want.

AQ43ds is 100% a squeeze in a GTO environment as BB/SB vs CO/BU

Not sure on pre either way, but I when I mention squeezing I refer to 3-way+ spots.

How is GTO if CO is tight and only raises with Aces? IT has to depend on the player, right?

You do understand what GTO is/means right?

No offense man but plz consider you skill level before you make a post like this. Jnandez has shown many winning graphs so just because you think that he played a hand or two wrong, doesn't make him not a good player, same goes for everyone.

GTO is an unexploitable strategy, like shorstack play can be in NL if you shove with the correct range. I cannot buy that always three betting AQ24 dbs is unexploitable, many players have a very tight raising range, although others are very loose. If GTO was anything more than a theory deepstacked, you'd have an unbeatable computer program by now. Players could just memorize cards and positions and be unbeatable. Like cardcounting in blackjack, most people wouldn't be able to do it, but those with good memories could all be poker pros.

I'm willing to learn and take advice, but if I see a guy hasn't raised once in an hour until now, I'm not three betting him with AQ24. If that is a leak somehow, it must be a very small one.

the amount of ignorance in this thread is absurd...OP why do you try to criticize him when you clearly dont know what the **** you are talking about...?

there is no doubt that jnandez is a high skilled plo expert

Very helpful. Why so defensive, is he your best friend or something? I asked a question "Is Jnandez really good at omaha?" That's a question, it isn't a statement. It isn't saying "Jnandez sucks at omaha".

I would love someone to explain to me how reraising AQ24 doublesuited from late position is always the optimal way to play, disregarding opponent's tendencies, stack sizes etc. and if there truly is a GTO theory for every hand dependent on position, then shouldn't there be a robot that can destroy any player in omaha?

Things have to get a little deeper. Will our opponent reraise us with worse? Will they call and fold unless they smash the flop? Does our opponent ever raise with worse than Aces or doublesuited kings?

I could see using pokertracker and using preflop raise and three bet percentage, flop fold % and then having a GTO play for certain percentage players for each hand and position.

i thought doug polk bought up all the scarves

Who said it was "always" the optimal way to play?

And who said you have to "always" play optimally to be good at poker?

He can spaz out too just like anyone else. He isnt immune to tilt. And he has his reads.

I would assume he plays post flop infinitely better than most people. So he can 3bet pretty wide IP.

He strongly favors ALL non paired double suited hands as you can tell if you watch his streams. He will 3bet 2 and 3 high card double suited hands especially if the the hand is AsQd2s4d with the two high suits connecting.

I am not theory expert, but I assume this is because when you make a high flush you are never splitting and when you make a high flush draw you can put people to the test in low SPR situations. And making the other guy make tough decisions is going to be your bread and butter.

So 3betting this hand gives you a few distinct advantages immediately. You have position throughout the hand. And you have 2 high flush draws as well as a very deceptive hand that should be a lot of just high cards but now flops like 24x and 35x are good as well.

Should everyone 3bet this hand? I dont know. Is is GTO? I dont know. Is it profitably for Jnandez to 3bet this hand? Probably. Because he is ****ing amazing at postflop PLO.

He said both players. If CO is an uber nit that isn't playing GTO then ofc we can exploit that and decide against 3b AQ24ds.

Can't imagine there are many uber nits at those stakes though so his 3b was almost certainly correct against most opponents.

Yeah, I have to say I'm shocked at how loose some of these guys seem to play. Makes me wish I was allowed to play on pokerstars.

I’ve read and understood the contract. Nobody got “shaft hard”.
Yes he screwed some guy and his mom for some scarves.
You don’t have to go through the thread, you can take my word for it.

QQ98 hand looks standard, I'd expect 4 bettor to pile it in here with a variety of hands that QQ98 does well against. It's also $600 in the middle before the flop and $370 behind holding an overpair + FD + BDSD. Folding would be a pretty big error IMO; it's 2019, Omaha strategy has evolved past living scared.

Also Q hi FD's are much much better in HU 3 bet pots than MW single raised pots, so you're adding a ton of playability to the hand

he is a solid plo player.

not the best there ever was, because he is just too straight forward abc gto.

but to get the basics right, sure why not learn from him. Another, similar way would be to read this sentences: "Play good hands and play them aggressively and dont donk off your money."

as far as what kind of person he is? i dont know him, and judging from the sort of socially awkward youtube persona he has i wouldn't fancy knowing him either.
Judging from him going hook line and sinker for grant cardone shows me he's a bit of a sheep.

Nandez is a confirmed scarf scammer and contract weasler, do you really want to learn poker from a man with those scruples ?

That site is horribly inaccurate.

and grant cardone is a god
#10x

only people who have no idea of sales think that.

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grant cardone can suck my BB