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10-07-2017 , 04:28 PM
I played an interesting hand yesterday where I took a line that seems nonobvious, but I think I had good reasons for taking it. I'd love to hear your guys' analysis of my line.

9-handed 1-2 PLO, everyone has at least 100bb. I cover the rest of the table, and main villain in the hand has $630 in his stack. The game is generally quite passive, especially preflop, with very infrequent 3-betting and multiple players who will never take an aggressive action preflop. Postflop sizings are often quite small, especially on turns and rivers. Main villain this hand is the most experienced and aggressive player at the table. I've been in multiple large pots (over 400bb) with him in the past. Hero is relatively TAG compared to the rest of the table.

Hero's hand in the small blind: K K T 9

UTG raises to $7. Villain calls from UTG+1. Two callers in MP. Hero calls from the SB, BB calls as well. Six players to the flop, $42 in the pot.

Flop: J 7 6

Hero and BB check, UTG bets $22, Villain and both players in MP call.

Hero raises pot to $152. BB and UTG fold, Villain calls, both players in MP fold. $412 in pot.

Turn: 3

Hero checks. Villain bets $310, leaving about $160 behind. Hero shoves, Villain calls.

Reason for raise on the flop: my hand plays much better heads-up than multiway; my overpair is basically worthless in a six-way pot, my diamond draw is only to the second nuts, and I only have five outs to the nuts on the turn (K or non- 8). While calling wouldn't be a bad option, I think raising pot is better here to either take it down or get the pot heads-up and hopefully fold out any lone A x out there. The combination of an overpair, flush draw, and gut shot gives me good equity against most any hand that will continue.

Reason for turn check: The diamond on the turn is better for my opponent's range than for mine, so I'm checking my entire range here. I will have relatively few flushes, as I'm just flatting the flop with the A-high flush draw. Additionally, I have seen villain barrel scare cards on the turn and river in the past, and I think he will conclude the same as me (diamond hits him more often than me) and almost always bet this turn. Once he does, it's an easy jam for his remaining stack. I'll be behind the ace-high flush sometimes for sure, but I think he's betting close to 100% of his range here, including smaller flushes.

I'm still relatively new to PLO (2 months in of live play) and would love to have some perspective on my play this hand. I don't think I would have played this hand like this even a couple weeks ago, but I'm trying to improve my game and find spots for nonstandard but well-reasoned plays.
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10-08-2017 , 04:31 AM
In my experience, that flop raise will fold out all flush draws except nfd. And when you're going to a 6way flop from SB, your overpair has not much than set value anyways. I think it's better the flat the flop.
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10-08-2017 , 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by FearfulFerret
Reason for raise on the flop: my hand plays much better heads-up than multiway; my overpair is basically worthless in a six-way pot, my diamond draw is only to the second nuts, and I only have five outs to the nuts on the turn (K or non- 8).
All of this can be true and calling can still be (and most likely is) better, EV-wise.

Last edited by Rei Ayanami; 10-08-2017 at 04:53 AM.
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10-09-2017 , 10:48 AM
Pre can be a 3-bet or a flat, depending on how the table reacts to 3-bets. If you think you could get it head's up with a 3-bet, that's what I'd do. If you think it's still going 4- way or more I prefer the flat pre.

Flop is definitely a flat for me. Your hand is strong, but a lot of your outs are not to the nuts, you're not going to fold out the NFD and you're bare overpair doesn't have much value. You're getting a great price to draw in a super multi way pot with 6 outs to the nuts.
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10-09-2017 , 08:10 PM
what the **** are you beating? you have to make sure there's limited amounts of hands in pots in PLO. I don't know if that's great advice, as i only have my own experience to go off of, but the less hands the better for kings and aces.. if you want to take your strong holdings to the river. that flop and their ranges KILL kings.. and you were dying to get it in for some reason. don't like money
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10-12-2017 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 0MAHADEG3N
what the **** are you beating? you have to make sure there's limited amounts of hands in pots in PLO. I don't know if that's great advice, as i only have my own experience to go off of, but the less hands the better for kings and aces.. if you want to take your strong holdings to the river. that flop and their ranges KILL kings.. and you were dying to get it in for some reason. don't like money
He has an overpair, gutter str8 and 2nd nut FD. I'd say it's a good flop.

That being said I would 3B preflop if it would thin the field and then reevaluate. It's tough spot because many players will ride the NFD all the way to the river.
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