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03-05-2018 , 11:34 AM

Lupoattila

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Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 3

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37932107

BTN: $130.21 (260.4 bb)
SB: $50.06 (100.1 bb)
BB: $82.78 (165.6 bb)
UTG: $40 (80 bb)
MP: $134.42 (268.8 bb)
Hero (CO): $59.69 (119.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9

UTG folds, MP raises to $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, 2 folds, BB raises to $7.25, MP calls $5.50, Hero calls $5.50

Flop: ($22) 6

(3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $13.50, BB raises to $61.40, MP folds, Hero calls $38.94 and is all-in

Turn: ($126.88) 9

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($126.88) 2

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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03-05-2018 , 07:42 PM

Knittle

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Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 828

This isn't your best place to post hands. I would move over to the PLO forums and post there.

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03-05-2018 , 10:12 PM

poloplaya1414

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,972

Argument for 3betting pre, but as played, pretty standard bet/call on flop. Race better.

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03-05-2018 , 10:21 PM

obliviosus

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Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 11

Work on bet sizing

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03-06-2018 , 01:20 AM

poloplaya1414

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Originally Posted by obliviosus

Work on bet sizing

I think his sizing is fine.

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03-06-2018 , 11:42 AM

Purasevic

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Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 768

Would not like 3bet this hand.I think you played well,except would prefer potting on the flop.What does 1/2pot accomplishes?You want to have some fold equity,and this hand

although very strong on this flop in a 3bet pot is not a monster.

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03-06-2018 , 12:01 PM

z0mgtiltz

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There's not really another option besides b/c flop

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03-06-2018 , 01:37 PM

obliviosus

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Originally Posted by poloplaya1414

I think his sizing is fine.

Why do you think it's a good sizing?

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03-06-2018 , 03:00 PM

poloplaya1414

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,972

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Originally Posted by obliviosus

Why do you think it's a good sizing?

Why do you think it's bad?

If we bet smaller, we're giving too good of a price in a multiway flop on a drawy board.

We also don't want to bet too big, because I want either villain to think they have fold equity and jam weaker draws.

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03-06-2018 , 07:11 PM

#10

HUMBLE.

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bomb the flop.

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03-06-2018 , 09:01 PM

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obliviosus

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Originally Posted by poloplaya1414

Why do you think it's bad?

no b/f range
range disadvantage

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Originally Posted by poloplaya1414

If we bet smaller, we're giving too good of a price in a multiway flop on a drawy board.

We also don't want to bet too big, because I want either villain to think they have fold equity and jam weaker draws.

We're already giving too good of a price vs MP rfi and BB 3bet ranges. Because of this, and because we have no b/f range, it's very easy to see through this bet size vs players who don't put that much thought into their sizing.

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03-07-2018 , 12:15 PM

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poloplaya1414

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Originally Posted by obliviosus

no b/f range
range disadvantage

We're already giving too good of a price vs MP rfi and BB 3bet ranges. Because of this, and because we have no b/f range, it's very easy to see through this bet size vs players who don't put that much thought into their sizing.

I'm having a hard time interpreting what you're saying here. Are you advocating for betting larger or smaller?

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03-07-2018 , 12:43 PM

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Rei Ayanami

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Full pot (with most hands that bet) and ~third pot (some of the ultra-monsters + some pretty good draws + some stuff to make the range weak enough; all adding up to a pretty low frequency) seem to make the most sense as bet sizes here.

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03-07-2018 , 04:29 PM

#14

Purasevic

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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami

+ some stuff to make the range weak enough

wtf is this needed

.If you meant for balance purposes ,that`s not really necessary this deep.Potting here seems like best option.

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03-07-2018 , 05:02 PM

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Rei Ayanami

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I'm not sure you understood my post correctly, but okay.

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03-07-2018 , 07:03 PM

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poloplaya1414

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For those saying pot, why would we want to price out weaker draws that we have crushed? Wouldn't we rather entice a call or better yet a shove from someone who thinks they have fold equity with something like JT98

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03-07-2018 , 08:58 PM

#17

Purasevic

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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami

I'm not sure you understood my post correctly, but okay.

Pls enlighten me why we want to bet `some stuff` for 1/3pot.

To bet fold cause we expect some fold equity on that board?

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03-07-2018 , 09:18 PM

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Rei Ayanami

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I don't engage in discussion here with people who seem upset.

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03-07-2018 , 09:25 PM

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obliviosus

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Originally Posted by Purasevic

Pls enlighten me why we want to bet `some stuff` for 1/3pot.

To bet fold cause we expect some fold equity on that board?

If we don't have 'some stuff' in our 25-40% psb micro range in situations where it makes sense to have one, opponent plays perfectly vs us, and it defeats the purpose of why we incorporated a 25-40% psb range.

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03-07-2018 , 09:57 PM

#20

Purasevic

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Not upset at all,but if you both think we can win with 1/3pot bet on qt2ss against 2 players in a 3bet pot more than 0% that`s

legitimate.

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03-08-2018 , 02:41 AM

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NMcNasty

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Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,990

Board is so draw heavy I think it’s really too hard to sell the idea that there’s some fold equity regardless of bet-size. I like just pot-calling my betting range here. I think there’s more value in moving some random KK and Qx out off splits than inducing from worse bluffs anyway.

Maybe AKJ with spades we can use a tricky sizing.

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