Live 1/2 with a $5 button straddle.

Hero is button and has put straddle on. 89102 double suited

$500 effective stacks

Raised in early position to $20 and called in 3 spots. Hero calls. EP is loose but good player.

Flop 923r

EP bets $100 and it's folded to hero.

Play?

These hands, in my opinion, are why omaha is such a hard game... I’m very interested to see what some of the more experienced players say about this one. Live, I would probably pot it and hopefully take it down right then, but if I get called, or re-popped, then I’m going to hope he has AAxx and play for stacks.


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So its about a $100 pot, so villain as a loose (but good) player then pots flop (making it $200) with $400ish behind. So its actually kind of shallow. Villain bet into a lot of players but the board is so dry that his range can still be very wide. Folding is bad. Just potting/gii is very standard. Calling and getting it in on non-terrible turns (3, A, 6) is also fine. Not a huge difference of EV, calling just slightly better if villain's cbet turn is high.

My frequency guess was something like;

80% repot
20% call
0% fold????

Is there ever a fold here?

I agree A, 6 are both bad turn cards, I think 3 is a good turn as we fill up, sure it’s an underboat, but we’re already dominated by 99, which we block pretty well.

Also not sure about calling, because there are very few, if any, runouts that I’m going to feel as good about gii than I do right now. Potting is essentially the same thing as a shove here... and jamming has to have better EV than calling, there are absolutely worse hands that will call, and you’re not going to be facing a monster draw on this board, I don’t think villains range has 22 in it. It could very easily be something like AA45 which will call it off here often, or AK45ds which is a bit more marginal... but there are too many bad turns for our hand to call imo.

If we call, what do we have left, about 380? I guess there’s a way to get away from this when the turn is a 6/A/2 but between realizing FE, and getting called by worse, I prefer to ship.


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The 3 counterfeits us, not fills us up.

Well idea behind calling is being in position you can still get called by worse. Its easy for villain to put you on naked 45 or random 9x after a flop call where he'll just bet his overpair for protection at which point he commits himself. Also by calling you keep any complete air in his range. Most turns probably will make our equity dip down but its never really going to dip down below 35% or so. Thinking about it more, I'm not even sure if A or 6 are cards we should fold on.

Pre-

I would not play this hand Pre let along straddle with it.
89102 double suited is not a really good hand in PLO/LIVE PLO.
If we play this hand we hope to hit a straight flush on the flop
right away which will only get paid off here by the nut flush
or we slow play and hope Villian boat up on the river.
We could also hoping for a flop of {567}. If flop is
single suited and we lead maybe we get lucky and getting ppls
to fold and make an easy $100
On a flop of {6710} if we lead and get call
any 9,10,J,6,7 look bad for us. Anything else on the flop and we
will be playing small flush versus nut flush, not a position I want
to be in.

Is Villian really loose or he just play his range really well
in position? This is something that I paid alot of attention to
when I play PLO.

Even as I type this I too do make mistakes with calling preflop
with hands that I know are not really that good but since everyone
just limp calling in live plo and i'm getting such a good price to see
a flop for cheap form late position that I would just told myself
just this one time as I put money into the pot. I've since been
working on stopping this bad habit.

Flop-
This is very intersting since EP raise preflp. If he lead here with
AAKQds we don't want to pot it here since there's only a small number
of card that would hurt us and we certaintly want him to stay in the pot
If he lead here it could also be something like 9910ds,9910J or 99QQ
hand that we are drawing dead too.
What if he lead with AA45, are we going to be able to fold out those
hand if we pot the flop?
Do we want to get it in with just two pair on the flop with no redraw?
If we just flat his call here what are we repping?
If we flat here what are we planning to do on the turn?
do we bluff the turn or check back and bluff the river?
If we are checking flop and lead turn what is our bet sizing be do
we pot it or bet $100 less than what is in the pot?

This is why I love PLO there's so many way to look at spot
and how we play them.

Straddle is decided before cards are dealt.

There is $87 in pot and I have to call $15 on button. This isn’t standard?

It's very normal for 1/2 and a $5 bring in + straddle.
Just like I mention before this is something I struggle with too. $15 to win $86 look like an easy choice until it go bet + you call+ someone repot on the flop and now you are force to play for stack with just 2 pairs and no redraw. So basically you just spent $100 to see a flop with an hand that make you go WTF did I just get myself into.

I also forgot if EP is that loose we might as well include 4455ds in his range too.

Clearly was having an epileptic seizure when I responded earlier re: 3 vs. 2. Sorry.


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