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Good bluff otr? Good bluff otr?

07-31-2019 , 10:31 PM
Hi all,

1-2 5-card O high. V is unknown MABG, never seen him here before. Has built up decent stack. Hero has raised a couple times and shown down AA with nfd once and a boat the second time. V covers. $450 effective.

Two limps hero $25 KJJT9ds, BTN, V/SB, and one limper call.

Flop ($95): 9-8-6r. Checks through.

Turn: K, completing rainbow. SB leads $25. Only hero calls.

River ($145): 6. V $50, hero $125.

Thanks,
DT
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07-31-2019 , 10:36 PM
Seems pretty standard. Repping straights with boat redraw that gets there otr, can maybe even assign 6666 to your range, regardless I think at live low stakes Omaha avg players overfold to river raises and you tell your sorry pretty convincingly... being IP is so huge in spots like this.

Wp
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08-01-2019 , 05:10 AM
No. Heros is repping too narrow a range, and would have to taken a fairly passive line on said range on both flop and turn. The sizing is going to get looked up by almost everything except maybe a feeble 6x no boat. Our blockers also increase the number of good value hand opponents have.

Last edited by monikrazy; 08-01-2019 at 05:18 AM.
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08-01-2019 , 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
No. Heros is repping too narrow a range, and would have to taken a fairly passive line on said range on both flop and turn. The sizing is going to get looked up by almost everything except maybe a feeble 6x no boat. Our blockers also increase the number of good value hand opponents have.
So I thought I could have taken this line with 99 and KK, straights are obvious otf. And I block two sets, isn't that good?
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08-01-2019 , 10:19 AM
Grunching.

I don't like any part of the postflop line, if I'm honest.

OTF, we block top set and T7, and we have a strong OESD. We don't mind making the pot a little bigger, and we would really like to clean up some equity multiway, imo.

The flop being rainbow and relatively static (straight is already possible; no flush draw) with all cards below broadway means that we should bet pretty small as PFR, imo. I like something around 1/3rd pot.

We'll deny some equity and build the pot just a little, which isn't bad in the spot we're in.

OTT I think calling is fine for the price, though I think most of villain's betting range is pretty far ahead of us.

OTR I super don't like this bluff. This bluff only gets, like, 75 to fold. And only sometimes. It's just such a small raise and I think villain is calling (even raising) kind of a lot, especially if you're a regular in this game and you've never seen him before (which seems to be the case).

Villain just doesn't have many weak hands that take this line, and I don't expect a rando at $1/$2 to fold a FH like ever. We block T7 a little bit; we don't block 88, which completely fits this line. 88 isn't folding.

Other overfulls, while less likely, are also possible for villain. They may also have quads.

I just don't really know what hand villain is betting on the turn and bet/folding OTR. The turn was in many ways a blank: it didn't change the nuts and it didn't really create new draws for villain to semibluff. The only way villain is actually responding to the turn card is if they have KK (which we block, but not absolutely), and they are almost definitely not folding KK OTR.

Like... maybe you can get a straight to fold here, but it just doesn't fit the line as well as FH+ does and I think we're burning money against a strong range pretty often.

I think villain being a rando really hurts this bluff, too. If it was someone you had tons of history with who knows that you'll make this small raise with a FH+, they can maybe make what is a very exploitable fold.

Because (as far as I can tell) this is a super explo line in both directions (exploitative/exploitable) and you haven't really shown enough of a read on villain to be taking subtle explo lines.
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08-01-2019 , 03:20 PM
You had me until the river.
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08-01-2019 , 03:25 PM
Yeah so I guess you guys are on to something because he called me with 75. I was actually kinda surprised.
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08-02-2019 , 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
River ($145): 6. V $50, hero $125.
Why so small? If you make it 250 you might get surprise folds like K6 or even 88. You're repping mainly KK, go big.
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08-10-2019 , 09:10 PM
Bigger if you're going to do it.
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08-12-2019 , 07:46 AM
Obviously you have good blockers to very strong hands, but don't forget you can call, too. If he doesn't bet worse than your hand, then, as a rule of thumb...

never try to bluffraise someone off of a range that is composed exclusively of straights/trips + on a low non-flush board single-paired board. If they are nitty enough to fold enough they would never bet in the first place.

There is a select bunch of committed betfolders against whom you can do this. They will value bet very thin and fold to the slightest aggression.

You can spot these in live games because they are pretty arrogant about folding, kind of laughing at how they know you never bluff and rarely actually thinking about calling.

Leave the gangster bluffs till much later. Concentrate on bluffing vs weaker ranges on earlier streets with blockers, picking up 10-20bb pots by without anybody really noticing.

Last edited by Czech Rays; 08-12-2019 at 07:54 AM.
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08-14-2019 , 07:38 PM
Bluff is fine, but pot it.
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