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fold queens full? fold queens full?

07-13-2021 , 05:57 PM
PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker - https://upswingpoker.com/replayer/224Tzyh8F

UTG: $133.03 (266 bb)
MP: $142.58 (285 bb)
CO: $58.87 (118 bb)
BU: $90.01 (180 bb)
SB (Hero): $51.55 (103 bb)
BB: $37.88 (76 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with K♣ Q♣ A♥ Q♦
1 fold, MP raises to $1.75, 1 fold, BTN calls $1.75, Hero calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($7) 9♥ J♠ Q♠ (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP checks, BTN bets $4, Hero calls $4, BB calls $4, MP folds

Turn: ($19) 2♠ (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN checks

River: ($19) 9♠ (3 players)
Hero bets $9.03, BB raises to $32.13 (all-in), BU folds, SB (Hero) folds

Total pot: $37.06 (Rake: $1.85)
BB wins $35.21
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07-13-2021 , 11:19 PM
I didn't see the ending with the opponent's hand but based on the board, I'm going to assume that he hit quads or a straight flush? If so, you have my sympathy, because that really sucks but it's going to happen sometimes.

Granted, I'm a low limit player but I'm not folding to that river raise with queens full.

My only question is this: Why did you just call in the SB, instead of 3-betting? At .25/.50, with the hand you had, I do believe that the correct move is to 3-bet from the SB.

Last edited by anon1; 07-13-2021 at 11:26 PM.
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07-14-2021 , 04:10 AM
PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker - https://upswingpoker.com/replayer/624TAfGBs

UTG: $25.43 (51 bb)
MP: $81.94 (164 bb)
CO (Hero): $50.25 (101 bb)
BU: $130.00 (260 bb)
SB: $67.75 (136 bb)
BB: $30.54 (61 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with J♦ K♦ 7♣ K♣
1 fold, MP raises to $1, Hero calls $1, BTN calls $1, SB calls $0.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($4.50) 7♥ J♠ K♠ (4 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $2.50, BU folds, SB calls $2.50, MP folds

Turn: ($9.50) A♠ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($9.50) 7♠ (2 players)
SB bets $3.50, Hero raises to $10.50, SB raises to $40.52, CO (Hero) folds

Total pot: $30.50 (Rake: $1.52)
SB wins $28.98
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07-14-2021 , 05:58 AM
Disciplined fold, I guess, but what about the first hand? I'm still curious why you didn't 3-Bet from the SB?
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07-14-2021 , 11:00 AM
Not sure why you posted either hand. Robots for sure don't play that way.

Does population never bluff and never raise worse? Eh.

Do those specific players? Maybe, but we don't know who they are so can't help.

Even if you are correct you'll never know and are training yourself to make huge river folds. gg.
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07-14-2021 , 01:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker - https://upswingpoker.com/replayer/624TAfGBs

UTG: $25.43 (51 bb)
MP: $81.94 (164 bb)
CO (Hero): $50.25 (101 bb)
BU: $130.00 (260 bb)
SB: $67.75 (136 bb)
BB: $30.54 (61 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with J♦ K♦ 7♣ K♣
1 fold, MP raises to $1, Hero calls $1, BTN calls $1, SB calls $0.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($4.50) 7♥ J♠ K♠ (4 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $2.50, BU folds, SB calls $2.50, MP folds

Turn: ($9.50) A♠ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($9.50) 7♠ (2 players)
SB bets $3.50, Hero raises to $10.50, SB raises to $40.52, CO (Hero) folds

Total pot: $30.50 (Rake: $1.52)
SB wins $28.98
The more I think about this hand the less I like any of it.

Pre. seems like we have to 3bet, esp. vs. the min open.

Flop I don't like the sizing if we bet and I'm tempted to check a decent amount too because we block non-draws and there are roughly 666 draws that will hit. Obviously we have position and getting some bad draws to fold is worth something, but it's not like random 1/2 pot bet does that well.

Then river, what is SBs betting range here? Feels like it'd be a lot of high flushes blocking, maybe some K7 hands. Maybe bluffing some 7x hands (but our folding range is mostly KJ -- so, why)? And QT or maybe AA if he magically gets there with it.
Feels like we still need to raise but 3x, for slightly over original pot, seems too much ... like we don't want to do that with A7 but just calling feels weak. Be interested if robots ever bet as SB.
As for final action, given we block quads do we call if we have Q or T but no 7?
Feels like raise/fold top of range almost 100% FTW.
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07-14-2021 , 06:45 PM
Never JJ in hand 1?
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07-30-2021 , 09:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker - https://upswingpoker.com/replayer/224Tzyh8F

UTG: $133.03 (266 bb)
MP: $142.58 (285 bb)
CO: $58.87 (118 bb)
BU: $90.01 (180 bb)
SB (Hero): $51.55 (103 bb)
BB: $37.88 (76 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with K♣ Q♣ A♥ Q♦
1 fold, MP raises to $1.75, 1 fold, BTN calls $1.75, Hero calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($7) 9♥ J♠ Q♠ (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP checks, BTN bets $4, Hero calls $4, BB calls $4, MP folds

Turn: ($19) 2♠ (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN checks

River: ($19) 9♠ (3 players)
Hero bets $9.03, BB raises to $32.13 (all-in), BU folds, SB (Hero) folds

Total pot: $37.06 (Rake: $1.85)
BB wins $35.21

No, you never fold top boat this shallow especially at low stakes. There's 2 combos of KsTs and Ts8s, and 1 combo of 99 left. There's 3 combos of JJ, 6 combos of J9, and 2 combos of Q9 that would easily raise here.

More interesting question is if you had even more behind, do you 3-bet. I have to think even then, I 3-bet. If it's even deeper and he 4-bets me here, I guess maybe then I can consider a fold.
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08-02-2021 , 09:42 AM
I think this is mostly a fold pre, sometimes 3bet.. maybe like 65/35 and 100% fold to 4 bet given 100bb effective stacks.
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