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Fold middle set for all-in 110BB OTR? Fold middle set for all-in 110BB OTR?

08-20-2018 , 03:10 PM
Hello,

What are your thoughts on this hand? Is this a trivial fold OTR?

Thanks

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 160.3 BB
SB: 167.06 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
BB: 137.83 BB (VPIP: 38.89, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 18)
UTG: 106.23 BB (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 30.77, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
MP: 163.11 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 10)
CO: 96.5 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 Q 7 Q

UTG raises to 3.5 BB, MP calls 3.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 3.5 BB, SB calls 3 BB, BB calls 2.5 BB

Flop: (17.5 BB, 5 players) 8 6 A
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: (17.5 BB, 5 players) Q
SB bets 11.3 BB, BB calls 11.3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 53 BB, SB calls 41.7 BB, BB calls 41.7 BB

River: (176.5 BB, 3 players) T
SB bets 110.56 BB and is all-in
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08-20-2018 , 03:21 PM
3 different straights got there, and the way SB played it, he might have made 2 pair on T and then clearly he didn't like his hand enough to go with it right there and then. Unless you have notes indicating that SB likes to bluff scare cards, I'm folding this.

If I decide to call, I'm likely going against my gut, which is telling me to fold, and then confirming my gut was right and asking why I didn't trust my gut.

You weren't the PF raiser, so SB really has no reason to try and bluff you off a hand that might be stronger than their missed draw. You woke up on the turn and raised him / her, to which they decided their hand was worth a call and then they shipped a made hand on the river. You could have very well had a straight draw as well, this is a dangerous card for their hand too.

If you're being bluffed, good job by them. Then again, their VPIP is 100, through 1 hand lol. No reads or info to make a different decision, this seems like a fold.
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08-20-2018 , 03:28 PM
This seems like a fold to me. The wraps/straight draws all got there. Generally, when someone donk leads the river when a draw comes in, I give them credit for the draw. I don't see people bluffing missed spades with this line a lot, nor do I see a worse made hand shoving.
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08-20-2018 , 04:20 PM
If you think SB can make some whacky suicide bluff into 2 players sure thing.

But nah this is a fold. Hell if the 3 different straights on board and a massive all in isn't enough to help you find the fold button you even block missed spades and a bunch of 2p/ lower set combos that might wanna turn their hand into a bluff. Aside from that every straight/ wrap combo got there basically
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08-23-2018 , 12:12 AM
The trivial fold is preflop and you could have avoided this whole conundrum
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08-23-2018 , 07:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loctus
The trivial fold is preflop and you could have avoided this whole conundrum
Matrix this is only just a fold...given our opponents seem some-what loose based on stats ignoring what GTO is and calling is completely fine and folding is def not trivial.

As played the fold is trivial - people just don't bluff OOP 3 way for 100bbs
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08-23-2018 , 08:02 PM
Standard fold. Villain could reasonably turn kkxx or jjxx into a bluff but how many of those hands make river. The frequency for turning kxxx into a bluff is an interesting math problem.
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08-24-2018 , 11:33 AM
pre is fine we have the button
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