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Flop A Wrap and got bet into? Flop A Wrap and got bet into?

10-12-2017 , 09:14 AM
Hand is 3 way.
SB stack is $150
MP stack is $800
Hero in the HJ stack is $450

Hero KQsJ9d I open in the HJ pre for 24, Got 6 caller.
Flop is Kc2d10s, SB shove, MP called.
Should I just be shoving here or just call and see the turn and reevaluate.
This is live PLO 1/3 so expect both villains range to be fairly wide.
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10-12-2017 , 09:29 AM
All in is the best option by far.
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10-14-2017 , 02:22 PM
If you shove, how often do you think MP is folding?
If you wait until turn, you could get away from the hand if a T or 2 hits.
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10-14-2017 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by VerdantDevil
If you shove, how often do you think MP is folding?
If you wait until turn, you could get away from the hand if a T or 2 hits.
I think you're underestimating how strong our hand is mate. Villain limp/called this. He has a very wide range of hands here, many of them are dominated by ours.

Lol, even if he didn't have a wide range here, we flopped the world.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
740,460 trials (Exhaustive)
board: K2T
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
KsQsJd9d44.24% 323,5837,999
KK**55.76% 408,8787,999
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10-14-2017 , 05:46 PM
Flip a coin. I suspect you're up against no worse than 2 pair and some str8 draw.
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10-14-2017 , 05:50 PM
I pot it on the flop and got call by MP. I pot to see both card if I just called and brick the turn I don't think I can fold it since there's so much money in the pot at this point.

Short stack have 10,2
MP have K10
I turn a back door flush draw and brick.
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10-15-2017 , 09:05 AM
Flat flop. With SB all in you probably need to hit turn or river to win the pot. May as well have MP in the hand too. With position you'll often get checked to OTT as well.
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10-15-2017 , 12:10 PM
I have been wondering about this too. Should we take a more passive and low variance approach in live PLO and just calling flop and turn.
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10-15-2017 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by baat
All in is the best option by far.
This was the first response, and the best by far.

If you call you'll often get the worst outcomes, if villain has KK/TT/KT he can shove turn if you call and a blank comes off. If you hit AQJ on turn the board looks super ugly even for TT (9 only makes it look ugly) and you are repping your exact hand when you call flop and shove. It also looks stronger when you are shoving into a dry side pot.
Worst of all if villain has a dominated draw like QJT he's never folding flop and you are setting money on fire by just calling.

You lost with the best hand, and play. It happens in PLO. Don't play worse as a result.
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10-15-2017 , 01:52 PM
Thanks I'm still learning.
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10-20-2017 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by eastcoastgrinder
Hand is 3 way.
SB stack is $150
MP stack is $800
Hero in the HJ stack is $450

Hero KQsJ9d I open in the HJ pre for 24, Got 6 caller.
Flop is Kc2d10s, SB shove, MP called.
Should I just be shoving here or just call and see the turn and reevaluate.
This is live PLO 1/3 so expect both villains range to be fairly wide.
First of all you have wrap with Non nuts outs and no pair.
Reraising flop with 1 player already all in with a draw doesn't make much sense. The play is still to call as you re not getting bluffed on any turn n by other player. If turn is a blank
Just count your outs and see do you have pot odds to call.
With turned flush draw you can't fold.
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10-20-2017 , 07:27 PM
1. The way the hand play out preflop and the combo we are holding
make it very unlikely we run into top set here. It's more often
that SB is shoving with bottom or middle set here with a naked Ace(I didn't see
what his other two card were when he fold).
This leave MP with a small chance of KAQ10, KAJ10, but alot of hands that(I think)
I can beat.

2..Do we just light money on fire by just calling flop and something like a
4heart hit the turn, because now our equity drop tremendously with just
one card to come but the pot is $500 and we have something like $315 left after
calling flop since we are not folding that flop?

3. I understand that flatting on the flop is the lowest variance route that
I can take, but is it the way I should play my hand in this spot?

4. Am I wrong in my construction of SB & MP preflop calling ranges
result wise aside?

5. I shove because I feel that MP is weak here and I have no problems with HU against SB since he is short stack, but I also want MP to call with worse hand that I can beat.
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