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04-04-2019 , 10:15 AM

CJ72

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WPN PLO25. 3 Handed 6 max

H(BB) 95BB: 8d7d5s4s
V(UTG) 250 BB: Tc8h6h5h

PF:
V open raises only H calls

Flop:

2s5d6d

Hero figuring for having range advantage bets pot.
V raises pot.

Hero? Is there any merit to just calling?
Did I err by betting flop vs CC or CR?

Turn: 7x
River: 9x

V scoops.

I'm thinking this was just a cooler.

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04-04-2019 , 10:24 AM

Czech Rays

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OP if you are asking this question seriously I advise you to spend a while with propokertools.

You have the best hand it is possible to have here. Don't look for consolation.

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04-04-2019 , 10:26 AM

.isolated

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OP: Would you have posted this had you won? That's your answer on whether it's a cooler or not.

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04-04-2019 , 10:33 AM

CJ72

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Originally Posted by Czech Rays

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Originally Posted by .isolated

OP: Would you have posted this had you won? That's your answer on whether it's a cooler or not.

Let me ask another way. Is there any way I could've played it differently so that V folded on flop? Basically to get V to realize I have similar/slightly better hand.

I'm thinking based on his stack size the answer is no.

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04-04-2019 , 10:54 AM

Vanhaomena

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Apparently I need to play around with PPT some more too. I figured hero has 60%. The truth:

board: 2s5d6d
8d7d5s4s 71.95%
Tc8h6h5h 28.05%

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04-04-2019 , 03:18 PM

.isolated

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Originally Posted by CJ72

Judging from him actually opening T865hhh, there's no way he folds top two ever. You're not trying to get him to fold 2p here. You're trying to get him to fold bare aces and worse while pushing equity vs. real hands.

You're still being results oriented. You could've used PPT as Van did above and see that you don't even want him to fold his exact hand.

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04-04-2019 , 05:57 PM

CJ72

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Originally Posted by .isolated

I figured I was ahead, I was just wondering if I could've gotten him to fold. Perhaps a little result orientated but when you've consistently run -EV in these spots for as long as I have you become that way.

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04-04-2019 , 06:11 PM

VerdantDevil

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Originally Posted by CJ72

But why? You shouldn't want him to fold top two when you have wrap+FD. You want him to GII on the flop vs you and stack him 70% of the time.

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04-04-2019 , 09:02 PM

CJ72

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Originally Posted by VerdantDevil

But why? You shouldn't want him to fold top two when you have wrap+FD. You want him to GII on the flop vs you and stack him 70% of the time.

I want him to fold because 70/30 is not good enough.

IDK perhaps I should've folded PF.

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04-04-2019 , 09:07 PM

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VerdantDevil

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Is this guy trolling? The hold em equivalent is not wanting to get in KK preflop vs AQ....

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04-05-2019 , 02:56 AM

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BubbaNothing

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Originally Posted by CJ72

I want him to fold because 70/30 is not good enough.

IDK perhaps I should've folded PF.

Are you for real? In PLO this is one of the best situations you could ever hope for.

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04-05-2019 , 12:54 PM

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CJ72

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Originally Posted by BubbaNothing

Are you for real? In PLO this is one of the best situations you could ever hope for.

Ya I kind of am. T987 + FD would've been better. I'm just tired of losing big pots in these situations and it has skewed my play towards ultra-nittiness. I think it's because I always play against those who have an uncapped bankroll. They know that if they take enough shots at you with as little as 30% perceived equity they will eventually bust you.

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04-05-2019 , 02:34 PM

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.isolated

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Stop feeling sorry for yourself because there's nothing positive that can come out of it. At the end of the day all you can do is ask yourself "did I play my best today?". Beats are part of the game. Take your emotion out and stop nit tilting. Just play as best you can and never stop trying to get better.

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T987 + FD would've been better.

He said "one of" you ****ing nit. Stop being a ****ing nit about everything.

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04-05-2019 , 03:58 PM

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VerdantDevil

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The two biggest losers in my local game are: (1) Guy who plays 80% of hands and raises a majority of them preflop, and (2) Guy who is a total nitball. Either end of the spectrum is bad, but IMO being a nit is worse because nobody wants to play with you, and when you do shove, everybody knows you have the nuts and gives you no value.

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04-05-2019 , 11:32 PM

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permatilt34

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Originally Posted by CJ72

I don't think most players like this get it in because they have unlimited rolls and get it in with 30% equity because eventually they will just you.
It's far more likely that they are new to PLO and think top two is supwr strong like it is in NL. Or they are not knew and don't realize top two is easily a massive dog in this spot, even if currently ahead. Or they are drunk.
Anyway, verse a V like this you happily get it in after donking

Last edited by permatilt34; 04-05-2019 at 11:40 PM. Reason: Left out a few sentences.

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04-07-2019 , 08:41 AM

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z0mgtiltz

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Lmao this guy

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04-07-2019 , 04:40 PM

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any four cards

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maybe move down a stake so you dont sit on scared money. and yes 'denying' equity is a big part of the winning game here but you shouldnt deny yourself this equity. i'd take your 70% any time, lets get it in!

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