So, the game is a 1/2 with mandatory straddle and the occasional restraddle to 10 and sometimes 20. In my local currency its 5/10/25/50

Game is very loose. Its rarely headsup on the flop, regardless of sizings. I m out of bankroll, and the other players probably know it.

V1 is the loosest at the table. Plays almost any hand. Unbluffable.
V2 is new to me, heard he plays 100/200 in other places. Definitely good player. Tried to bluff me first hand we played. On another hand, on a xxx22 board, one player bets 125, another one (V1) calls, he s to act. The first player thinking hand is over, turns over A2xx.V2 thinks a bit and makes it 1100. Player 1 folds, V1 calls with A2 and V2 insta mucks.

I have the smallest stack, around 3800. The others cover. I ve been playing fairly tag. When i have it i usually bet pretty strong.

So, the hand. Can t remember preflop, probably straddle to 50, 4-5 players on the flop. I m bb with KdJs4d4s.

Flop comes 8d5d3d. Checked to V2 on btn which makes it 125. I think it s 225, so i put call chips, dealer says it s raise to 250. I make a gesture like i didn t realize, but i elect to shut up and put 25 more for the min raise. I think V2 realizes that. V1 calls, V2 calls.

Turn Jd. I ponder between checking and betting, and decide to bet 550 to charge V1 for draws (i expect him to have 2p/sets her3 often). V1 calls. V2 thinks about it and makes it 2700. I have around 2900 left.

From my pov, V2 is very capable to bluff with naked A here. My line is very weak. V1 never has it and he knows it. My first instinct is to go allin.

Thoughts ?

[Spoiler]i fold and v1 folds. V1 and a another guy banter v2 for bluffing. V2 says he had and shows only 9d2d. Not sure a 9d2dAdx hand makes sense for him yo have. Not sure if he d decide to raise a 9 high flush there, unless he thinks i have a higher one which would fold. He s certainly raising V1 for value[/spoiler]

Fold pre this is a weak hand that often flops second best.

Don't bet turn lol

edit: Not gonna fault anyone for completing in bb with this hand in a live game even though it may be a losing play in the long run

That is obvious, but in a live game, i can t play 30/20 or something. I thought it was a decent hand, even though the position is the one that should make me fold it.

@Loctus: probably check turn is the best. What is our plan, calling turn obv, but on a blank river ? Donking ? Check calling ? Chk folding ?

I agree, 30% VPIP is far too loose for full ring.

Not full ring, 6 max. Not 2$ and 50$, but 10 and 50 in local currency.
Any other remarks that have no relation to the post-flop play, which was the aim of the thread ?

If they should know you don't have the nut flush due to your mistake on the flop, you should consider turning your hand into a bluff-catcher and playing it passively.

I fold your hand preflop. I would fold your hand on the button in a limped pot. I probably have around a 20% VPIP in live play and I don't loosen up much until it gets to be four-handed.

All the big mistakes are made before your decision to call/not-call turn. The final decision is meh, it's very likely you have the right odds against his range given all the other info. ... but it's not like he can't see you accidentally raise flop and react by just calling with the nuts, and he generally has to have something to bet into 4-5 players (and bet into the "unbluffable" V1).

On the flop I'd recommend you try doing something that makes it obvious you are calling to limit the accidental raising mistakes. Just saying call, before you do anything with chips, works. Putting a single small chip in the pot should also work, if you don't want to speak.

The fact you think KJ44ds is good 5 ways has me worried almost as much as this comment "I'm out of bankroll, and the other players probably know it."
... PLO is not the game to play with your case money.

How many naked Ad hands do you think a good player is going to limp, even if it's the button?

So for pre you had to call an extra 40? Fold pre. Call flop. Check Turn. As played, I probably fold to turn raise.

If player is good like you said, he definitely had Ad in his hand.

I think you still need to hear it more times, so FOLD PRE!

If you think that there are two possibilities (naked ace and nut flush) and both possibilities include the Ad, it seems like in your mind you should know that he had it.

If Ad9d2dX doesnt make sense for him to have, what hand does make sense for him to have along with 9d2d preflop?