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Old 09-09-2017, 01:02 AM   #1
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Flatting vs Raising with nuts.

iPoker - $1 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 122 BB
BB: 108.89 BB
Hero (CO): 345.43 BB
BTN: 97.01 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K J Q

Hero raises to 3.5 BB, fold, SB calls 3 BB, BB calls 2.5 BB

Flop: (10.5 BB, 3 players) Q T J
SB bets 10.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 42 BB, SB calls 31.5 BB

Turn: (94.5 BB, 2 players) 6
SB bets 76.5 BB, Hero calls 76.5 BB

River: (247.5 BB, 2 players) 3

SB shows 7 A A K (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 71%, Flop 40%, Turn 45%)
Hero shows A K J Q (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 29%, Flop 60%, Turn 55%)
SB wins 122.25 BB
Hero wins 122.25 BB


main question is on the flop.

Villain is leading into my preflop raise of which my ranges consists a decent amount of AKxx from CO although a flat from SB is a fairly strong range as well.

Usually SB is AKxx also, and probably less likely to be KKxx, though another hand we could possibly see take this line is set + flush draw but thats heavily blocked by our hand.

We have top two for redraw freeroll, and we also have backdoor spades, but we also have Ah nut flush draw blocker.

Do you flat here or do you raise flop. By flatting, we may induce another street or triple barrel bluff form KKxx type hands, or a 2nd barrel from K9xx type hands. But the downside is that the board pairing may lose our action if he has AK and our freeroll. On the other hand, there are more heart outs in the deck than boat outs and if we believe he is heavily weighted towards AK given preflop ranges, bluffing hearts might be a better play.

If we flat, do we raise blank turns or continue to flat? I usually lean flat turn but if I flat flop and turn brings a spade draw, i'd lean raise. Thoughts?
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Old 09-09-2017, 06:54 PM   #2
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Re: Flatting vs Raising with nuts.

I think I always flat this for range protection and because raising doesn't accomplish aaaall that many good things
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Old 09-10-2017, 11:20 PM   #3
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Re: Flatting vs Raising with nuts.

As played, what do you do on the turn if a heart comes?

What do you on the turn if you had called the turn?

Forgive my cluelessness, I've been away from poker for several years and am trying to relearn it.
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Old 09-11-2017, 09:40 PM   #4
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Re: Flatting vs Raising with nuts.

Protecting your calling range is nice by just flatting flop but then again this is the kind of board you're likely to get action from worse on, some FD/ pair/ SD combos, sets etc. So raising for value isn't a mistake at all. I don't see any problem with either play.
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Old 09-12-2017, 04:29 AM   #5
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Re: Flatting vs Raising with nuts.

I really like villains line.
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Old 09-13-2017, 02:16 PM   #6
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Re: Flatting vs Raising with nuts.

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I really like villains line.
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Do you think villain is fading hearts or will he bluff flush / FH boards?
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Old 09-13-2017, 02:31 PM   #7
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Re: Flatting vs Raising with nuts.

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Protecting your calling range is nice by just flatting flop but then again this is the kind of board you're likely to get action from worse on, some FD/ pair/ SD combos, sets etc. So raising for value isn't a mistake at all. I don't see any problem with either play.
I'm not sure there's too many hands in SB spot that actually gives us action here besides TT + FD or something similar that would take this line.

Keep in mind that he is potting into two people on a board texture that should be checked to the PFR a lot which makes me believe he is very heavily weighted towards AK himself. I think 2 pair + FD or similar would not donk out for pot multiway and would tend to go for a check call on this flop.
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Old 09-14-2017, 07:09 AM   #8
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Re: Flatting vs Raising with nuts.

SB cold calling range will have a lot of sets on this board as well as plenty of other Broadway combos.
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Old 09-14-2017, 03:22 PM   #9
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Re: Flatting vs Raising with nuts.

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Protecting your calling range is nice by just flatting flop but then again this is the kind of board you're likely to get action from worse on, some FD/ pair/ SD combos, sets etc. So raising for value isn't a mistake at all. I don't see any problem with either play.
Agreed with this.

I mean if you think about how often raising with AA or just hearts here doesn't work it shows you that raising for value is absolutely fine.

That said I slightly prefer flatting to prevent getting freerolled and keeping my bluff off a split options open.
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