Thanks for any advice

Every book on PLO is worth reading, the information contained in them, may not be worth as much as it once was.

Hwangs books have a lot of fundamentally sound information on them, in regards to the big play strategy, what the good wraps are and general hand selection.

Unfortunately most of his advice was based on game dynamic from a while ago.

Still a lot of good information contained within, but don't use it as your PLO bible, as they are definitely in need of an update.

I was thinking of reading the old books then looking at the RIO videos to kind of correct the outdated info by getting a more modern lesson, but still learning the "gems" from the old books

I'm just wondering if the "gems" in the old books are even worth the reading, or should I just keep rereading PLO from scratch and focus on modern resources

Stay away from jeff hwang... It will do you more harm than good the book sucks the info sucks and jeff hwang sucks

tbh your best bet is to join some study groups like the plo matrix discord group for example (and just buying the plo matrix in general)

If you are just starting out at PLO then it is a good idea to exhaust free resources like ebooks and videos and 2+2 before paying for anything.

However if you just got through 'PLO from scratch,' and you are serious about learning strategy/theory and having access the best possible information then i strongly recommend going straight for RIO.

The essential membership is 24$ month, which is an amazing bargain. They have the best content in the industry. I have bought modules from upswing and they were very disappointing.

I owe a lot to RIO, i have learned so much on that site and whenever i see someone who is thinking about getting a membership i feel compelled to recommend the site in the strongest possible terms. If you love poker and you want to learn, then the knowledge on that site is priceless.

Did you read the study plan at the beginning of PLO from Scratch?

can you give some examples of what advice you think is incorrect?

I have to laugh when I read teenagers bashing "old" books as "outdated". This is like saying that pot odds don't apply to the modern game and should be updated. Let's get serious. The math doesn't change. If you're playing at high levels then you're not going to be asking questions like this in online forums. The fact is, information in books such as Hwang's is dead on accurate.

The problem isn't the "modern game" or the great advances that all PLO players have made in the last 2 years. Most of us are playing casual gamblers. If you're playing against $25/50 reg pros then that's another matter. But even then, the fundamentals still apply.

The problem is that you have to adapt your game a little because the book has you playing too tight for some games. This isn't about modern times, it's about what parts of the game the book attempted to teach. But then, he has an advanced series where you can LAG it up or small ball it.

I'm in the middle of his book where he tries to explain floating. I think it's going over my head. Do I float? Sometimes. But I had a guy on global a few months ago float me out of position and then he checked the river! ;-p We had a little exchange in chat and he was sure he made the right "float" play. lol

+1. I'd also like to add that, for me, his advanced strat books don't seem to work well for online/gto players. Especially HUD wizards.

He recommended Jeff Hwang's books and a couple deucescracked videos and at first I didn't give thought to the deucescracked videos because it required a membership but I saw that they have a trial so I'm going to check them out

Can gto play be considered a theory based approach like the kind taught by tom chambers' course?

Online gto players and HUD wizards?These beasts play small stakes plo?

I think so to some degree. What are the BR requirements to multi table PLO50/PLO100?

I read Hwang's first book "Pot Limit Omaha Poker: The Big Play Strategy" & found it helpful with the basic fundamentals. I'm about 1/2 way through Volume 1 of the Advanced series. Again, it's helping me.. a lot. I recommend reading them.

But don't read them in a vaccum. You have to play while you read them. Take notes while you play & go back & compare them to the books. While I wouldn't go as far as to say the material in them is "outdated", I do think many of the concepts have been refined & expanded on in the years since their first publishing.

I still think some of those older books are good as a foundational learning tool. The info may not be super accurate for PLO in 2018 but if you haven't played before or have little experience it's still a good place to start

Preflop hand selection is an underrated facet of PLO and Hwang's book is excellent for understanding what makes some hands better than others.

Preflop advice from jeff hwang might be the biggest joke of it all...lol

Just get the plo matrix for preflop

PLO matrix seems to be a starting hand chart. That wouldn't give you the theoretical framework to understand which hands become better or worse under changing game conditions.

Hwang's advice may have you playing a bit too tight, but I think that playing too tight is usually better than playing too loose.

Maybe you should try it out before you comment?

PM me

Which part? Cause I just read the preflop sections and its seems to be solid fundamental advice

What about it is a joke?

Hwang's pre-flop advice in his one book (Pot-Limit Omaha Poker) is probably best suited for a beginning player that is playing live PLO; so of course some will trash it while other find it to be useful.

I haven't read his more recent books.