SB is tight passive. Starts hand with 236bb.
BB is loose passive. Starts hand with 126bb.

No hud. Overall, the games are very loose passive. Very little 3betting and most hands get to showdown. Lots of fit/fold postflop.

6 max
Hero opens cutoff with J6J6 to 3.5bb.
SB and BB calls.

Flop (10.5bb) AJ9
SB bets 10.5bb. BB calls. Hero calls.

Should Hero raise the flop here and GII? With no backup and/or blockers, this didn't seem like the best idea at the time.
Turn (42bb) 3
SB bets 42bb. BB calls 42bb. Hero?

SB has 180bb behind and BB has 70.

SB tight is tight passive but donk leading for pot on the fllop?

This is a fold or repot/jam on flop multi-way btw esp 100bb deep

No 3bet preflop. To this point, he has been very passive. That is part of the problem with this hand.

Are we ever folding here on the flop?

I figure we are likely flipping vs his range and getting it HU has a lot of merit. Also, if both are drawing, they likely share outs and Hero is in really good shape.

i'd just call flop in position since we are often behind and hope for a clean turn (3d) to jam because against a hand like AKsQTs we are something like 55% ahead now also if bb calls too, cos like you said its likely they share some outs then. since their was no 3b pre i think you can rule out AAxx and sb/bb could also have a 99T8 or A9ss hand which you crush

clear gii on the flop

Lol all the people saying just click pot on flop with 230bb (23x flop). WTF do you do when SB calls your pot raise? When you call flop do you always have garbage? WTF range do you think SB is going to put 23x times the pot in with?
The best part is you probably forget about the times when you repot flop and it goes fold;fold ... and that's when you set fire to the most money.

Given description of SB I sigh raise turn and hope he has AJss or my read is wrong when he goes AI. I doubt BB is ever folding now, so see you at showdown.

Edit: we don’t know hero’s stack size here.

wp, gii.

I wouldn't say often. Slowplayed Aces and wraps with FD are pretty rare in non 3bet pots.

Hero covers.

sb will show up with aces a decent amount here. many loose passive player will be afraid to three bet preflop, rightfully thinking they are turning their hand face up 200 bb deep oop. but he can also have bottom set, big draws, made hand + draw. he has shown some strength by going bet bet but it's not like he has even raised anyone post flop. I'm still willing to stack off here.

AA can absolutely show up here. Not everybody 3bets all AAxx combos.

But we're not only against AA in villains' ranges, so I'm not folding flop or turn, obviously. Too many draws are betting (SB) or calling (BB). We could also be up against A9 or 99; we unblock both, though a tight-passive player may not go bananas with bottom set and a lack of preflop initiative here.

The turn isn't as blank as some are suggesting. There are now two flush draws on board and we have neither (we barely even have a blocker/dead out). This is PLO: backdoor flushes are kind of a thing.

This is all to say...

I'm not 100% sure what to do.

On one hand, I don't want to let SB and BB realize their equity for SB's chosen price. (But does SB ever pot/pot/fold? Is BB folding very often with the price they'll be getting?)

On the other hand, I don't want to strengthen SB's range to be AA-heavier.

I'm inclined to use my positional advantage to make better-informed decisions with a higher SPR, just calling flop and turn.

This isn't to say that our river decisions will definitely be easy, but we'll definitely have more information.

And who knows, maybe we can get the last bet in with quads.

I like the flop call.

Now on turn i'm GII as we can't really fold on a 3d turn when the board is so draw heavy. If he has AA that's fine (I think it's going to be a very small % of the time and a standard cooler for 200bb) I think he shows up with other hands that we beat.

Only thing that has me worried is you say the games are loose passive. I've folded pretty big hands before in these kinds of games and am usually correct.

Still in this spot... SB shouldn't be 3betting bad AA this deep so it's very possible he has the AA.

Over 200bb effective this is a crying fold on the turn.

GiI with A blocker. Fold witbout. Getting over 200bb in drawing to 1 out is a situation we must avoid when all signs point that way.

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Your play should be dictated almost entirely by the strength of your read.

Folding turn (let alone flop) would be super-exploitable and a severe violation of GTO play, but getting it in for 230bbs with just one out on principle is completely ridiculous.

IMO flatting aces pre deep OOP is very common for anyone (maybe even more common than not), and there are plenty of nits that exist that just never have bottom set, let alone 2pair here. So if read is correct (which is a big ****ing if), just fold turn.