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Facing two villains preflop with AAxx Facing two villains preflop with AAxx

05-05-2021 , 12:47 PM
Curious to see the perspective of the members here. I was up against two opponents who it was clear had AAxx. This is on GG Poker so I don't have a pokertracker view of the hand but curious to see what you would do:

PLO10 - 6 handed

Stack Size:
UTG: $11.53
BTN: $13.66
SB (hero): $12.19. KcTh9c8h

Preflop: UTG raises pot, folds to BTN who 3 bets. I call, UTG 4bets pot, BTN 5bets all in.... hero??

I'm pretty sure I'm facing AAxx in both villain's range. I have a 3card straight with a K dangler but it could still help with some straights. Double suited, multiway. What would you do? Easy all in? Easy fold? Against one villain it's a fold... against two??
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05-05-2021 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by tightywhity
Curious to see the perspective of the members here. I was up against two opponents who it was clear had AAxx. This is on GG Poker so I don't have a pokertracker view of the hand but curious to see what you would do:

PLO10 - 6 handed

Stack Size:
UTG: $11.53
BTN: $13.66
SB (hero): $12.19. KcTh9c8h

Preflop: UTG raises pot, folds to BTN who 3 bets. I call, UTG 4bets pot, BTN 5bets all in.... hero??

I'm pretty sure I'm facing AAxx in both villain's range. I have a 3card straight with a K dangler but it could still help with some straights. Double suited, multiway. What would you do? Easy all in? Easy fold? Against one villain it's a fold... against two??
I would fold in a heartbeat. You don't have ace high flush possibility either. The way I play is I only call that type of hand for BB or maybe 2x BB. Otherwise fold, but I play only certain types of hands and otherwise very conservative.
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05-05-2021 , 01:43 PM
If you think they both have aces you are in a great spot.

Omaha Hi Simulation ?
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Equity Wins Ties
AA 28.71% 92,161 160,162
AA 28.65% 91,823 160,186
KxTy9x8y 42.64% 254,257 3,181



even if you're dominated it's not the end of the world

Omaha Hi Simulation ?
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Equity Wins Ties
AA 47.64% 285,009 1,776
KQJT 23.87% 134,029 18,400
KxTy9x8y 28.49% 161,754 18,444



In this match up we're quite competitive

Omaha Hi Simulation ?
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Equity Wins Ties
AA 38.44% 229,659 1,944
QdQs4d4s 28.81% 172,860 0
KxTy9x8y 32.75% 195,537 1,944
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05-05-2021 , 01:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pokersam12
I would fold in a heartbeat. You don't have ace high flush possibility either. The way I play is I only call that type of hand for BB or maybe 2x BB. Otherwise fold, but I play only certain types of hands and otherwise very conservative.
Would you call with a 4 card straight double suited? I would for sure... it's the 3 card straight with the K semi-dangler that's kind of throwing me off
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05-05-2021 , 02:42 PM
Just a guess but I dont think the dangler is a big a deal as having both suits. I'd be much more apt to call with this than a 4 card straight with only 2 suited cards.

In any case, I hate these spots where you have a small edge but have to risk a lot. I get that putting in 100bb for a 38% chance of winning 300 is a good bet. I just don't like it.

I think it depends a lot on how sure you are they both have AAxx. Real bad would probably be AAxx and the other guy blocking it with AKKx and going for it.
Thanks to PPG for running it, I was really surprised you'd be doing as well as you were against the AA and KQJT hand - again, the suitedness...

Personally, I'd fold here just because I feel like I could find a better investment for 100bb but I admit this might be objectively wrong. Its obviously really close either way and the edge is gonna be decided by like, their random suits/side cards blocking or not blocking you so I dont think you can be very wrong one way or the other.

Edit: also very curious to see what others would actually do here
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05-05-2021 , 04:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tightywhity
Curious to see the perspective of the members here. I was up against two opponents who it was clear had AAxx. This is on GG Poker so I don't have a pokertracker view of the hand but curious to see what you would do:

PLO10 - 6 handed

Stack Size:
UTG: $11.53
BTN: $13.66
SB (hero): $12.19. KcTh9c8h

Preflop: UTG raises pot, folds to BTN who 3 bets. I call, UTG 4bets pot, BTN 5bets all in.... hero??

I'm pretty sure I'm facing AAxx in both villain's range. I have a 3card straight with a K dangler but it could still help with some straights. Double suited, multiway. What would you do? Easy all in? Easy fold? Against one villain it's a fold... against two??
As played I'd just go with it, we're not bad against anything that they have here. Im just not flatting the initial 3B bc I dont want to be in this spot.
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05-05-2021 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaewoo
As played I'd just go with it, we're not bad against anything that they have here. Im just not flatting the initial 3B bc I dont want to be in this spot.
This is a good point and something I forgot to mention in my original thread. Do you 4bet the BTN or flat?

Here's the propoker tools simulation against AAxx and AKKx

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
AA47.32% 281,7414,339
AKKR18.67% 109,7834,551
KcTh9c8h34.01% 202,3993,327
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05-05-2021 , 05:28 PM
I would fold pre. UTG has a strong range, you have bad position, flush draws will not be to the nuts, straight draws might not be to the nuts, and UTG could 4 bet.
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05-06-2021 , 07:39 AM
Fold the first time.
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05-06-2021 , 07:42 AM
Trash is cash
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05-06-2021 , 06:48 PM
Obviously get it in as played. This hand is good as a cold 4b, and I prefer it over flatting.

Also I don't think you should say things like "who both had AA". It's never certain. They are very AA heavy though, yes.
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