Hey guys, wondering if any of you have read his stuff and successfully applying it on tables like PLO5 (where I'm at ) to like PLO25 (maybe above?) and doing great.

As it's not a GTO manual but theory book written in like 2010(?) how is the theory learned from it doing in todays games?

I'm specifically interested in postflop stuff like when to c-bet, barrel IP, OOP or x/call OOP for multiple streets and stuff like that. Basically the most important decisions happening like every hand.

never read it but once Tom Chambers stopped to win he came out with his book... just get a RIO subscription and listen to the one and only Phil Galfond

No offense i think Tom is a really smart guy but he totally overcomplicates the game.

Tom Chambers is a coach at RIO...

https://www.runitonce.com/chatter/ru...ambers-to-the/

well i doubt he beats PLO400+ online games

Thanks guys, actually its a great idea to watch and analyze the one and only Phil Galfond. For 20 bucks seems like a great investment. What would be the next best PLO coach there on RIO? I would like to be able to beat PLO10 - PLO25 in the beginning.

Why do you doubt it? You've never even read his books.

FWIW almost the entirety of JNandez online course is from the Tom Chambers books.

nah, its all based on monker sims

Where do you think the theory for monker solver programming came from lol

your both right. Jnandez talks about studying tom chambers in this interview with Beauperez 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufeelT5MILI

since then seems like Jnandez studies w/ pkrjuice, monker etc. based on his vids. i dont think monker software is based on chambers work, i could definately be wrong, pls correct me if im wrong

OP the bottom line is seek out the best information, all of these sources are definately good. I mean chambers is a foundational coach, even ben86 said in an interview that he first learned basic PPLo reading chambers, look where he is now.

If you sub to rio you will get access to both of these guys

Tom Chambers books are the fundamental basis of nearly all PLO coaching on the market. The only digression from this are natural geniuses like Galfond and Sauce who figured it out on their own.

A significant portion of his books are looking at hand v hand, hand v range and range v range equity simulations via PPT, which monker and PJ evolved from.

The NLH GTO gives some stuffs, the PLO books give some stuffs, training gives some stuffs, feel gives some stuffs. It is clear in NLH, not in PLO, but it is developing, just difficult; the math that in NLH can be calculated easily, isn't easy in PLO; in Mastering the PLO, you see some analyses, you get range ideas, so basically it could be hand calculated in some way but not sure about the percentage. The PLO GTO softwares are difficult, the NLH ones relatively easy.

As GTO, you are basically splitting ranges against a perfect opponent, the rest being more or less beyond its reach, though in theory, you can set ranges if the software allows or you calculate it yourself (somewhat). What you exactly hold as a minor detail in your hand, is less important than your opponent and all the other factors reached with intuition perhaps.

maybe tom chambers had a time machine back in 2010 then idk

No coaches helped me to win in the specific player pool as i did myself. AFAIK noone ever did series of HOW to crush specific player pool (no, nandez PLO100 content doesnt count, less than 10k hands in 2 months is not helping at all).

It doesnt matter whether you play reg tables or zoom, you always have to adapt to the situation. Never generalise anything beyond pool tendencies and try to treat every situation as individually as you can.

So in the end its up to you to figure out how to crush your player pool and you can throw most of the math out of the window, its not about it at all up to PLO50 or maybe even higher. Feel free to dig my graph in BBV thread for credibility of what i said.

Funny you say it's not about math up to $50nl. Yes you get reads but you're going to use math to exploit people. PLO's all about math.

Also, I bought 5 hours of coaching from Tom back in 2016 for $600 when I was playing $100. I feel I made well over that $600 in return at the tables. He was a good coach, loves poker, and communicates outside of coaching sessions. I bought some chapters of his book and wouldn't recommend simply because they are page scans that are done very poorly. So poorly that I ended up not reading the few that I got.

Really? I'm sure if you had told him this he would have resent you the chapters. The first volume of his that I purchased is pristine.

Thank you guys appreciate everything, for now I bought an essential membership at RIO and trying to combine it with my JNandez notes I took. Well so far it's not going that great - yesterday I got one player telling me : "***** fish nc call, ur ranges are so bad". Have to get to the point when I can buy new PC with monkersolver than I feel like I could make some nice progress

While you are technically true, practically i wouldnt count this as math because its a type of evaluating/guessing skill that i personally developed based on my own experience. Probably wouldnt count too much of 100-150 hours of my lifetime studies into this as few thousands of hours of in game experience easily covers it. This will be true for everyone being at these stakes.

Im definitely not trying to discourage anyone from studying math, my point lies elsewhere. Its that if an enthusiastic person without talent like me could get an outstanding winrate on plo50z with the time investment ratio like i mentioned above, then i would conclude that being concerned about math of that level of Tom Chambers book is far inferior to learning how player pool works on a conceptual level. This type of time investment i would recommend most likely after beating plo50/100z . Order is important here since i see value in time investment efficiency.

For a slight plo25 winner, learning first about math from Chambers book and then about player pool on a conceptual level will bring him alot of despair, absorbing massive amount of informations is useless because such player will be able only to recognize how people deviate at best, but wont know what to do about it, that leads to alot of misplayed hands and tilt as a consequence.