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Do we defend this? Do we defend this?

05-13-2018 , 11:45 AM
Im a beginner in PLO, this is a MTT.
Just wanna make sure my play is right.
Do we defend this on the button vs a decent regular who is a bit aggro spew and often shows up with weak holdings?


    Poker Stars, $6.69 Buy-in (900/1,800 blinds) Pot Limit Omaha Tournament, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37933959

    UTG: 59,028 (32.8 bb)
    MP: 97,083 (53.9 bb)
    CO: 25,475 (14.2 bb)
    Hero (BTN): 38,770 (21.5 bb)
    SB: 159,220 (88.5 bb)
    BB: 68,100 (37.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with A 2 K T
    3 folds, Hero raises to 4,050, SB raises to 13,950, BB folds, Hero calls 9,900

    Flop: (29,700) Q 5 K (2 players)
    SB bets 25,200, Hero calls 24,820 and is all-in

    Turn: (79,340) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (79,340) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)




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    05-13-2018 , 04:01 PM
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    Originally Posted by III PRO III
    a decent regular who is a bit aggro spew and often shows up with weak holdings?
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    05-13-2018 , 04:08 PM
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    Originally Posted by cardporn

    ahaha, well he is a profitable russian but does a lot of weird stuff.
    Have you seen Veaaa playing for example, very good player but does a lot of weird stuff that some good regs would consider awful.
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    05-13-2018 , 04:59 PM
    I don't see how you can consider folding this.
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    05-13-2018 , 05:11 PM
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    Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami
    I don't see how you can consider folding this.
    Flat versus 4bet shove? Im 20bb deep
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    05-13-2018 , 07:10 PM
    Flat.
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    05-14-2018 , 03:35 PM
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    Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami
    Flat.
    +1
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    05-18-2018 , 05:24 AM
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    Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami
    Flat.
    Can you elaborate?

    I only play cash omaha and have been out of the game for a while (just getting back recently) but I'm certain 4b shoving there is better than flatting. Can only assume that it being a tournament makes it different, but I can't figure out why
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    05-18-2018 , 05:29 PM
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    Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
    Can you elaborate?

    I only play cash omaha and have been out of the game for a while (just getting back recently) but I'm certain 4b shoving there is better than flatting. Can only assume that it being a tournament makes it different, but I can't figure out why
    We're not a favorite against a 3b range, even a relatively wide one, but can gain a bit more EV from folding really bad flops (not just stuff like 987 monotone, but also 974r with no bdfd, etc.), whereas BB has to be less selective about stack-offs.
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    06-02-2018 , 06:27 AM
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    Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami
    We're not a favorite against a 3b range, even a relatively wide one, but can gain a bit more EV from folding really bad flops (not just stuff like 987 monotone, but also 974r with no bdfd, etc.), whereas BB has to be less selective about stack-offs.
    Our hand isn't one that exactly smashes that many boards though; when we GII on a board we like - such as the one that happened, we're often only going to be a small favourite. However, a lot of it's equity comes from seeing all 5 cards and whilst we might gain ev on folding really bad flops I'd argue we also can make mistakes by incorrectly folding on boards such as the 974r one that you suggested; it's the type of board that our opponent who is going to be 3b a hand like AQxx where xx doesn't connect with the board but prob has a lot of gutshot draws that jam it in; then we'd be making a decent sized mistake by folding.

    The same can be true of board pair flops. Against a slightly spewy aggro villain capable of having a wide range we should be GII on most board pair flop but it doesn't feel that great doing so at the same time.

    Finally, if villain is a regular to Hero then by shoving pre-flop with a hand like this every once in a while it's going to make villain re-consider 3betting Hero so light which should definitely be a good thing for us.
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