Hi all,

Still fairly new to PLO (5-card at my casino). Two hands where I folded turn not getting right price - I think. I got sh*t for folding one by this reg, just wanted to check.

Raise AA2ddxx, three callers, eff. stack $350 (me), flop J-2-4dd. SB donks pot ($40), call, I call. Turn ($185): 8c. SB donks pot $185, call, I fold. Reg asked if I had nut diamonds afterwards and I said yes and he went ballistic.

Call with AAxxx in BB, flop A-K-4ss. I pot ($65), two calls. Turn ($260): Qc. I c/fold to $260 pot and a call with $230 behind and only the boat draw.

I know these are just math problems, and I believe I made the right folds since I was not getting the right direct odds to chase. But the reg kinda gave me a hard time in the first hand.

Thanks,
DT

First hand the xx matters often with a J842 board. But as shown (assuming the obvious):

ProPokerTools 5-Card Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: J428

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AAd2d	27.58%	165,221	574
JJ	72.42%	434,205	574

2nd hand your donk lead looks terrible. As played:

ProPokerTools 5-Card Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: AK4Q

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AA!ss	24.82%	135,433	26,979
JT	75.18%	437,588	26,979

How are we giving SB credit for JJ here? I think the first hand is a flop raise, turn jam... you may be in a spot where any A, diamond or board pair that doesn’t fill up villains 2p scoops

Seems like the rule of two way underestimated my equity then. At the table I thought I was just shy of the right odds. Even so, I’d rather get my money in ahead not behind, even if it is technically +EV by a little.

I agree I should have re-potted the AAdd hand. Maybe CRAI the top set on the dynamic flop?

dont think you should repot it pre as you should X the flop in order to X\R and lower down the SPR because you are out of position
i do think checking is good here for multible reasons

Can not use that rule in a 3 way pot.I would also prefer to gii when I am ahead,

preferably when my opponent is drawing dead,but that is happening rarely.Not taking +EV spots is playing bad poker most often.

So what’s the rule multi-way? Is there one? Or is it guesswork?

That rule is based off holdem where you know 6 cards, on the turn, so if you have 11 outs it's 11/46 and 46 is ~50 ... but in 5 card plo you know 9 cards on the turn making it 11/43 (so it will always underrep. your odds by a few percent). Also, as I said, the extra cards make a difference (Eg. random 97 or a 5 give you outs) if you use two bricks like AAdT62d you only get 23.65%.

The rule of 4 and 2 is math, and math still works in a 3 way pot.

You think SB donk pots with random J4 hands? And then donks pot on a turn overcard to his 4 which opens ~666 draws?

Sure it's possible he has JT984 or J653[874] or something, but I'd bet most players will be heavily weighted to sets.

Thanks. I'll be sure to add a few percent next time I do the rule of 2/4.

pot call every hand