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03-13-2018 , 04:07 PM
1. Js9s96 OTB
2. KcTT3c OTB, we open and fold to SB 3bet (V is good reg)
3. Q553ds in BB, BTN opened, SB called
4. 8877ds UTG
5. 9966ds in CO, EP open, MP call
6. 9752ds OTB, fishies in blinds
7. QJc9c5 in BB, BTN open, SB call


vpiping which of these?
all raises are psb
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03-13-2018 , 05:08 PM
#1 I'm open raising OTB if the blinds are letting me steal with any frequency, or if they fit-or-fold the flop a lot.

#2 Same, OTB open raising again. Folding to 3bets from anyone that isn't a total spaz.

#3 is a muck for me. Think it's just too much trouble OOP. We're almost never a big favorite if we make our set and the money gets in.

#4 Playing it, basing decision to open limp or open raise on the way things are going at the table. I want a raised pot for when I hit, but don't want to pay for 3b+ OOP with this hand when I'll miss ~65% of the time. IP I would always open with this if folded to me.

#5 Calling behind unless I have good reason not to. If there are maniacs 3/4betting pre every hand or something like this. I want implied odds with this hand.

#6 It depends: What KIND of fishies? Again, if they are letting me steal the blinds a lot or fit or folding the flop a lot, I'm opening. If they are maniacs or calling stations, I'd rather have something less junky.

#7 Personally I make nitty folds OOP with these hands. All our opponents need is something like QJTx, KQTx, or KQJx for us to wind up in really bad shape OTF and beyond. Combine that with the challenge of playing OOP and I like folding these. Make the 9 a T or the 5 a 7 and I'm playing.
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03-13-2018 , 05:29 PM
good post
#4 I would never limp pre, I suggest you don't split ranges like this. I think you can fold it to single 3bet
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03-13-2018 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
good post
#4 I would never limp pre, I suggest you don't split ranges like this. I think you can fold it to single 3bet
That is good advice, though I'm guessing it applies somewhat more at stakes higher than the PLO10 I'm playing right now. There are a few thinking regs, but far more players who obviously aren't giving thought to this sort of thing, and FWIW, when the table make up is such that players at the table are 3betting or 4/betting based on their range, or in the rarer circumstance that they seem to be playing their range vs my perceived range, and not just bloating every pot pre as a matter of course, I basically always either open raise or open fold, for exactly the reason of not making it obvious that the quality/shape of my starting hand determines my opening play.

That said, there are a lot of maniacs at these tables too, and I think this hand plays more profitably against their inevitable 3bet than it does against their inevitable 4bet, particularly OOP. They are going to cbet close to 100% of the flops that get checked to them, so I'm going to be able to get least one big bet into the pot from them when I hit ~27% of the time or so, and see the flop for ~1/3 the price the other times.

Perfectly open to the possibility that I am wrong on this though, these are just my thoughts.

And obviously, it's a good reminder anyway. After all, I don't want to stay at PLO10 forever, so I should bear these things in mind even if my caveats about PLO10 are correct.
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03-19-2018 , 08:30 AM
Hands like 8877ds I actually like to have in my raise/4-bet range 100 BB deep. If Villain has AA, you have almost 45%, same against top 10% hands. You will also pick up a number of pots when opp folds something like KKxx pre, or folds to your flop push.
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03-19-2018 , 11:09 AM
1. Js9s96 OTB - Open or call a bet
2. KcTT3c OTB - Folding PF, unless blinds are tight and then raising and folding to a 3b
3. Q553ds in BB- Folding, looking for a miracle flop and plays garbage OOP
4. 8877ds - Opening and calling 3b. I like to mix up these types of hands from EP and you have some interesting check raising spots if you have a good read on villains 3b range.
5. 9966ds in CO - Calling to see the flop, lots of opportunities to steal if checked to and you miss
6. 9752ds OTB - Opening and calling a 3b
7. QJc9c5 in BB - Folding, its just not that great a hand out of position.
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03-22-2018 , 01:36 PM
why opening 1 and folding 2? Aren't they pretty similar hand category?
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03-22-2018 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
why opening 1 and folding 2? Aren't they pretty similar hand category?
Hand 1- can make straights in multiple directions, it also has the advantage of not containing high cards that are likely going to be part of UTG or EP raisers ranges, which is why I would call with it.

Hand 2- short of flopping a a set or QJ this just plays badly against UTG / EP ranges. I would open it if the blinds were very tight, but I would do that with pretty much any hand if I thought I could steal. Its not terrible, but there aren't a lot of spots that I would be thinking to myself, thats a flop I can work with! I'm basically raising this for deception / steal purposes in position, not because it plays well. Omaha is just easier if you avoid hands with danglers.
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03-22-2018 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
1. Js9s96 OTB
2. KcTT3c OTB, we open and fold to SB 3bet (V is good reg)
3. Q553ds in BB, BTN opened, SB called
4. 8877ds UTG
5. 9966ds in CO, EP open, MP call
6. 9752ds OTB, fishies in blinds
7. QJc9c5 in BB, BTN open, SB call


vpiping which of these?
all raises are psb
3, 6, and 7 are snap folds for me.

2 is well played IMO.

5 is a call with position on opener and a possibility of being last to act.

4 is really really game dependent. Id need clowns to the left and jokers to the right.

1 I would steal attempt if the blinds were fit fold post or nits. If they were passive stations id limp to set mine.
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