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01-20-2019 , 03:15 PM

CJ72

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1/2 $5 open. Everyone is 100BB ($500) - 250BB deep.

8 handed, live, mix of players. $5 button straddle.
Villain: BTN (200BB), competent, puts on a lot of pressure in position, makes winning hero calls with top and bottom 2 pair on boards with bad run out. .

Hero BB (120BB), KK86ds, calls

4 callers, BTN makes it $10 more, everyone calls. ($60)

Flop: QdJc9c

Everyone checks

Turn: Ks

Hero c/c $50 from BTN ($160 pot)

River (heads up): 3x

Hero checks, BTN bets $75 ($235)

Hero?

How would you have played this

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01-20-2019 , 11:17 PM

illiterat

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If you don't call river villain can bluff an insane amount. He might even be value betting QQ/JJ here if he's very competent.

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01-21-2019 , 08:05 AM

fabregas

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repot pre, bro, it's KK86ds
with the action on the flop the BTN had to bet all his KT on the flop, he checked last in position so that means he is capped to sets and T8
we block T8 and KT, so considering the river sizing I think we have either to call or raise this pot
also considering this is live, people tend to bluff more often live than online because the ranges are wider (ppl are bored of waiting for the hand etc.)
I'd call and take a note on that player, it's worth 40 bigs

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01-21-2019 , 09:34 AM

CJ72

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I check folded and flashed KK, he then flashed TT9.

It made sense, in that he figured he blocked AT and value bet river to get a call from all sets and 2pr.

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01-21-2019 , 10:36 AM

fabregas

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oh goodness, my bad, I haven't noticed that any pair+T gives straight
then yeah it's close to folding range here
my bad

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01-21-2019 , 09:43 PM

F_Ivanovic

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Originally Posted by illiterat

If you don't call river villain can bluff an insane amount. He might even be value betting QQ/JJ here if he's very competent.

uh what? It's 4 way and there's a ton of straight's possible with pretty much any Txxx hand. We have plenty of straights in our range - villain is almost never going to be bluffing or v-betting QQ/JJ here for that sizing.

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01-21-2019 , 11:18 PM

illiterat

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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic

We lead some of our T's on the turn, we x/r some of our T's on the turn. We also call a bunch of worse things on turn (Eg. nut flush draws). Villain is on the BTN and bet 1/3rd pot on turn, and 1/3rd pot on river.

So without doing a bunch of work I'd be pretty sure KK is too high in our range to fold, I guess if we block the flush draw we can fold this but call QQ no clubs hands.

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01-21-2019 , 11:37 PM

F_Ivanovic

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Originally Posted by illiterat

x/r anything but AT OTT is really bad. Also leading a non-nut straight with no redraws is pretty bad since we're in a bad spot against a raise. Playing lots of Tx straights as a x/C is perfectly fine when it's 4 way. What on earth is he even betting that isn't a straight OTT (that he doesn't bet flop with too)? TcT6c5 is the only hand I can think of but I don't imagine he goes so small.

You really need to re-evaluate your multi-way game if you think we should be calling the river here.

edit: It's 4 way. Just to re-iterate.

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01-22-2019 , 05:57 AM

OmahaDonk

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Originally Posted by illiterat

If you don't call river villain can bluff an insane amount. He might even be value betting QQ/JJ here if he's very competent.

We take this line with almost all of our Txxx, we don't need to call KK.

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01-22-2019 , 06:52 AM

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z0mgtiltz

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I feel like he was either trolling with the comment or he just didn't see it was 4 straight.

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01-24-2019 , 07:37 PM

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Purasevic

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Originally Posted by CJ72

Hero BB (120BB), KK86ds, calls

I think this is not the first time you do this

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01-24-2019 , 11:09 PM

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illiterat

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Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz

he just didn't see it was 4 straight.

I did, but I read the sizes wrong. I thought villain bet $50 into $160 on the turn, and $75 into $235 on the river.

With the actual sizes of $50 into $60 on the turn and $75 into $160 on the river we can fold a lot more.

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01-25-2019 , 01:29 AM

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F_Ivanovic

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Originally Posted by illiterat

I did, but I read the sizes wrong. I thought villain bet $50 into $160 on the turn, and $75 into $235 on the river.

With the actual sizes of $50 into $60 on the turn and $75 into $160 on the river we can fold a lot more.

I read the sizes wrong too.... but even if they were the sizes you and I thought it's still a fold and I really don't know how you could possibly think otherwise.

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01-25-2019 , 06:05 PM

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CJ72

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Originally Posted by Purasevic

I think this is not the first time you do this

Is this play out of the BB a leak? If so in what way?

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01-25-2019 , 09:07 PM

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Purasevic

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Originally Posted by CJ72

Is this play out of the BB a leak? If so in what way?

Against bunch of limpers or min raise from straddle premium kings are

enough for a raise.

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