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Old 04-04-2015, 03:38 AM   #1
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Beating the micros: Plo zoom $100 to $10k challenge

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Over the past year or two there has been a lot of discussion how rake is killing micro PLO games and how its impossible to deposit a small amount and move up the stakes. There has been particular emphasis on PLO zoom games and how they are virtually unbeatable.

I'm going to attempt a challenge: start out with a $100 bankroll and grind out exclusively zoom PLO. My ultimate goal is to turn that $100 into $10k. There is not going to be a set time limit for this challenge, but I hope I can complete it within 1 month.

I'm going to be 6-tabling zoom, starting out with 4 tables of zoom2 and 2 tables of zoom5. I'm planning to move up to 4t of zoom5 & 2t of zoom10 when I reach $250. Then to 4t z10 2t z25 at $550, 4t z25 2t z50 at $1200, 4t z50 2t z100 at $2400 and finally 4t zoom100 2t zoom200 when I reach $4800. I'm planning to grind the rest out with that setup (maybe increasing the 200 to 100 table ratio as I get closer to my final 10k mark).
If I encounter a downswing at any point I'm planning to move down in stakes also according to the above schedule.

If I go bust at any point I'm reserving myself a right to fire 2 more additional $100 bullets, for the worst case total investment of $300. If I bust my third bullet I will consider this challenge failed and not waste any more time on it.

This is not a prop bet. This is simply a way for me to both challenge myself and to prove that micro zoom PLO is beatable. If anyone wants to make some kind of a bet on whether I can complete this challenge I'm willing to consider offers, but once again that is not my primary goal/concern.

I would love to stream my progress, but I have never used twitch before and don't have an account set up there (basicly I'm a total streaming noob), so if anyone could offer me help of how to go about obtaining a twitch channel and setting things up there I would greatly appreciate it.

If everything goes well I'm planning on starting this challenge either tonight or in the next couple of days. I will try to update this thread often with both graphs and interesting hands.

Well, that's pretty much it, gl to me!

EDIT: challenge is based on pure $$$ winnings, no bonuses or RB included

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Old 04-04-2015, 03:47 AM   #2
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Re: Beating the micros: Plo zoom $100 to $10k challenge

First in what is sure to be an epic thread
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Old 04-04-2015, 03:56 AM   #3
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Old 04-04-2015, 04:02 AM   #4
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Re: Beating the micros: Plo zoom $100 to $10k challenge

gl, i'm sure you'll complete this challenge with 3 bullets easily. however completion of this kind of challenge by a known midstakes crusher adds very little to the discussion about the beatability of lower stakes plo zoom games. more important discussion is whether the rake is beatable for players learning the game and grinding up for micros.

still i'm curious to see how long this takes are milestone bonuses and other rakeback things included or is this purely on winnings?
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Old 04-04-2015, 04:08 AM   #5
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gl, i'm sure you'll complete this challenge with 3 bullets easily. however completion of this kind of challenge by a known midstakes crusher adds very little to the discussion about the beatability of lower stakes plo zoom games. more important discussion is whether the rake is beatable for players learning the game and grinding up for micros.

still i'm curious to see how long this takes are milestone bonuses and other rakeback things included or is this purely on winnings?
Thank you! I completely understand and agree with the point you're making, however it should still be comforting for the beginner grinders to know that at least someone can do it

I knew I forgot something when writing the op, rakeback is obviously not going to be included, just pure winnings. Including rakeback would be unfair to the micro players, as my % is higher than they can normaly achieve. Gona edit op to include this point. (damn 30min period has expired so I cant edit. would greatly appreciate it if someone adds this point to the op)
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Old 04-04-2015, 04:13 AM   #6
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Nice!Stream would be very cool get it done... gl im following
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Old 04-04-2015, 04:16 AM   #7
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PLO. My ultimate goal is to turn that $100 into $10k. There is not going to be a set time limit for this challenge, but I hope I can complete it within 1 month.

If you get this done in 1 month this will be amazing for the game of PLO.

You will be nicknamed the Chris Moneymaker of plo

PS There's some plo regs here that do twitch streams, they can tell you how to set it up.

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Old 04-04-2015, 04:17 AM   #8
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Credit for this.

I would suggest you mentor 2 new players to the communinty with a $100 bankroll and bronze stars to follow in your footsteps. (Ideally players with the same time u have avilable for this but have struggled to deal with the rake burn - gives it a touch of reality as apposed to a mid stakes crusher just crushing )

Good luck.
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Old 04-04-2015, 04:17 AM   #9
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+1 to streaming being awesome, just ask Joey for a tutorial
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Old 04-04-2015, 04:32 AM   #10
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in for being a protégé

glgl, hope it will bring some life into ssplo again!
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Old 04-04-2015, 05:33 AM   #11
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Thank you! I completely understand and agree with the point you're making, however it should still be comforting for the beginner grinders to know that at least someone can do it

I knew I forgot something when writing the op, rakeback is obviously not going to be included, just pure winnings. Including rakeback would be unfair to the micro players, as my % is higher than they can normaly achieve. Gona edit op to include this point. (damn 30min period has expired so I cant edit. would greatly appreciate it if someone adds this point to the op)
true

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Old 04-04-2015, 06:04 AM   #12
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I bet all my money on you

apo is a beast (heart)
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Old 04-04-2015, 06:23 AM   #13
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Re: Beating the micros: Plo zoom $100 to $10k challenge

Good luck! I'm just venturing into a similar micro stakes challenge myself but i have no set goal for final total and I'm trying to figure out how many tables I can handle before my concentration goes out the window. So far I'm up to 3 tables and doing fairly decent. I'm a complete online poker noob when it comes to tracking/graphs etc so I'm doing a lot of studying/research in between sessions.

Looking forward to following your progress!!!!
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Old 04-04-2015, 07:20 AM   #14
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gl! It would be real cool if you could stream. I think it'll take more than a month for this.

For setting up twitch you basically just have to subscribe. Install OBS (open broadcasting software or whatever), and then set it up. There's a guide here http://help.twitch.tv/customer/porta...aster-software
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Old 04-04-2015, 07:38 AM   #15
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No jokes I think you'll find PLO10-PLO50ish harder than you expect. It's all fun and games to 6table zoom until you put in a 5 hour session, open up cashier, and wonder why your balance is at ground zero.
Then you open HEM and see that you just paid 500bb in rake.

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Old 04-04-2015, 07:44 AM   #16
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Streaming sometimes would be really nice imo.
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Old 04-04-2015, 07:52 AM   #17
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No jokes I think you'll find PLO10-PLO50ish harder than you expect.
glgl
i dont think that a plo mid/high stakes winning reg would not crush there but we will see it
gl apo!
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Old 04-04-2015, 07:52 AM   #18
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No jokes I think you'll find PLO10-PLO50ish harder than you expect. It's all fun and games to 6table zoom until you put in a 5 hour session, open up cashier, and wonder why your balance is at ground zero.
Then you open HEM and see that you just paid 500bb in rake.

glgl
I normally play 4 tables of zoom500 + 2 of zoom200, had a lot of 10h+ sessions. Dont expect 6-tabling micros to be tougher


For an update, I'm currently working on setting up my twich layouts and stuff. Have already ordered an overlay, should be here within the next couple of days. Till then I'm probably gona be streaming without it, kinda ghetto style. Hopefully I can get everything sorted out and start tonight.
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Old 04-04-2015, 08:00 AM   #19
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This is awesome. I've always kinda wanted to do something like this but couldn't justify the time expenditure. If you achieve it in a month that'll just make it all the more sick!

I'm happy to help get you set up on twitch too, PM or skype me if you want
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Old 04-04-2015, 08:25 AM   #20
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I think you will get higher hourlies mass tabling normal tables - especially antes, at plo5 and below. Getting to the first k is so ****ign tedious without mtts aswell.
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Old 04-04-2015, 08:43 AM   #21
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I think you will get higher hourlies mass tabling normal tables - especially antes, at plo5 and below. Getting to the first k is so ****ign tedious without mtts aswell.
that is probably true, but I specifically want to do this at zoom, since they are said to have the least winning regs.
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Old 04-04-2015, 08:46 AM   #22
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The amont of winning regs int he other tables is close to 1% probs. In plo2 zoom it could be like 7%. If you are doing it to prove a point rather than get there faster, that's pretty cool though. GL. Would love to watch
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Old 04-04-2015, 08:56 AM   #23
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A big TY for doing this apo5tol!

As i am playing micros for years and cant move up, so when u do it, for me and for a lot of other PLO micro grinders it will be a lot inspiring. And ofc its sooo good to see ur playing that micros at twitch.

GL and big HF doing this

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Old 04-04-2015, 09:15 AM   #24
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GL op!
I'de bet you accomplish this within 1 month. I am doing a similar challenge myself due live expenses, gaining confidence, challenge myself etc...
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Old 04-04-2015, 10:02 AM   #25
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Cool bet. I would be very very surpriced if you can do it in 1 month, but in 2 it should be doable and a great achievement. I also think loctus is wrong, I think he will crush everything below 25plo zoom.
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