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07-19-2019 , 02:56 AM
Hi all,

1-2 5-card. Short stack limps, tighter BTN $20, hero SB AAK7d2d (bare aces) flats, shorty backraises AI $80, BTN iso $200. Hero? Hero playing $450, BTN covers.

Last time BTN made a big raise pre he had good aces. Do I GII anyway?

Thanks,
DT
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07-19-2019 , 04:19 AM
Yes. Your cold call/5! Jam Will make ur hand face up but should get some folds from button. Only thing we hate being shown here is some kind of 9TJQds-KQJTds rundown
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07-19-2019 , 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by JobRunsBetter
Yes. Your cold call/5! Jam Will make ur hand face up but should get some folds from button. Only thing we hate being shown here is some kind of 9TJQds-KQJTds rundown
Button shouldn't fold any hand for 250 more
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07-19-2019 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Vanhaomena
Button shouldn't fold any hand for 250 more


I don’t know... if he has raggedy KK/QQ maybe he can find fold. Don’t want folds from other paired hands tho.
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07-19-2019 , 06:17 PM
Yup
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07-19-2019 , 09:51 PM
I don't see how button makes it $20 otb unless you're playing NL 5card.

Should you get in? Yes.
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07-20-2019 , 12:52 PM
just rip it in - very easy shove
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07-20-2019 , 04:01 PM
I ran some calcs in ppt and the equities in 5-card run so close. What’s the point of jamming AA pre if we’re often just gonna be in a 55/45 situation? My exact hand was a mere 56/43 against V’s holding (QQJJx).

Is this an argument for waiting for good aces?
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07-20-2019 , 04:37 PM
It's an argument to get all-in every single time. If you don't like taking 56%, 5c PLO isn't for you. If I knew I had 56% I'd be fist pumping because it's +ev.

Here's a near identical hand that I played around an hour ago and it's super standard:

IPoker, $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players

SB: $224 (112 bb)
Hero (BB): $448 (224 bb)
UTG: $198 (99 bb)
MP: $200 (100 bb)
CO: $43 (21.5 bb)
BTN: $385 (192.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with some Aces
2 folds, CO raises to $7, BTN raises to $24, SB folds, Hero calls $22, CO raises to $43 and is all-in, BTN raises to $154, Hero raises to $448 and is all-in, BTN calls $231 and is all-in

CO showed 7h 8c 9s Ks Ah
BTN showed Qd Qs Kh Kd 4c

Your hand is 65% vs. button here which is a 300+bb side pot. Are you really thinking of folding? This is such an easy get in.
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07-20-2019 , 04:57 PM
Yeah I catch your drift. Thanks.
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07-21-2019 , 12:07 AM
56% favorite

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07-21-2019 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
I don't see how button makes it $20 otb unless you're playing NL 5card.

Should you get in? Yes.


Often in live games they "round up" the blinds to make it easier to calculate raises. So instead of $18 you open for a max of $20.
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07-21-2019 , 12:42 AM
Anyway, definitely GII, you are a decent favourite vs that action. This is a pretty good situation all in all.
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12-25-2019 , 01:18 AM
Just bumping this thread to make my point in my most recent post. Everyone here said GII. Is the situation much different there?
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12-25-2019 , 02:08 AM
A btn ISO is to get you out with his whole range which I assume is top 8-15%. Post this hand with hero as BTN and the consensus will be to rejam and get out SB.

Also btn is never and should never be folding.

One caveat - I did run some sims. Your AA is so bad that if shorty always has AA you're actually a dog to BTN, around 47%. This is not the case with most AA. If you know shorty only does this with AA you can fold but don't tell anyone . You have to be sure he doesn't do this with any other hand though
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12-26-2019 , 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
Just bumping this thread to make my point in my most recent post. Everyone here said GII. Is the situation much different there?
yes, here you likely have the best hand and it is heads up. in the previous example you are drawing to top set and buddy has both of your outs. villain's four bet is suspect because of the short stack all in. we do just fine heads up vs a strong hand.





5-Card Omaha Hi Simulation ?
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Equity Wins Ties
AcAsKd7h2h 32.34% 187,462 13,368
30% 33.81% 194,300 17,249
30% 33.85% 194,534 17,276






5-Card Omaha Hi Simulation ?
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Equity Wins Ties
AcAsKd7h2h 53.29% 311,953 15,584
30% 46.71% 272,463 15,584





we are a slight favourite vs a loose range of medium strength to nutted hands. but three way we are now a dog. and people are going to hand select for hands that play well against us, rundown / five card working together type hands.




and of course the main pot is so small that because we are in for $20 we are probably +EV in both pots.
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