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07-01-2021 , 01:42 AM

luz4ggro

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Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 418

Hello everyone. I've been a PLO4 player for a long time, but all the big gamblers and private games have totally switched to PLO5 in peru, colombia, argentina and some other parts of south america. Does anyone know where I can get advanced strategy for this variation? Variance level goes way higher and there is a lot of action

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07-04-2021 , 01:19 AM

anon1

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Originally Posted by luz4ggro

I don't know about a study guide and I don't play PLO5 but the JNandez at PLOMastermind does and he's been playing PLO5 much more often on his discord and (I think) Twitch feed too.

I didn't pay a lot of attention to it but I think he said that they have a solver in place for PLO5, although it might be a private solver. Now, whether or not you can get a subscription to it, I have no idea, because I haven't checked into it.

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07-04-2021 , 03:18 AM

.isolated

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JNandez has a bunch of 5c YT streams since April 1 you can learn from.

He has some basic theory stuff on Mastermind which is good. 15ish play and explains with some other guy that I haven't watched cause it's apparent from the first minutes of the first one that he wasn't that good at 5c when releasing those. The theory stuff is much more recent.

He'll be releasing a 5c solver at some point that'll be like the PLO Trainer that's already out.

My advice is to comb through this forum and check out the odd 5c hand history threads and soak up some advice there.

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07-07-2021 , 11:35 AM

Z06Fanatic1

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Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 835

5 card will usually play bigger as it's more likely to have better hands. I would start by tightening your playing ranges preflop - you'll see more multiway pots so the value of nut draws increases. AA/KK drops in value as you're more likely to go multiway - much trickier to play than 4c. Postflop hands like bare 2 pair/bottom set are even more vulnerable - I would think in 5c the value will come from stacking a 2nd nut hand when you have the nuts, and also using nut blockers to bluff more. Nut blockers are more powerful in 5c.

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07-07-2021 , 06:20 PM

DumbosTrunk

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Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 7,326

AA/KK less valuable?

I dunno, I like going all in pre with good KK for a nice side pot against the non-AA hand that overcalls a 3!.

I enjoy getting all in pre with most of my aces too. Maybe I’m a whale for 2030 standards. Working so far. I hope I’m not still playing PLO5 once this game has evolved enough that these plays are no longer profitable. Compare hold ‘em present day when you can hardly ship KK pre anymore and be called by worse.

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07-08-2021 , 01:01 AM

illiterat

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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk

AA/KK less valuable?

This probably depends a lot on how your games play. If lots of people like to call and see what happens on flops with "infinite" cards some AA are just much easier to play as open folds in Big O and as limps in hi only.

In general in the 5 card games I play it feels like 2010 PLO/PLO8 .. or as isolated said in the 6 card thread: just have the nuts.

The variance though.

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Compare hold ‘em present day when you can hardly ship KK pre anymore and be called by worse.

Unless you are snap shoving 500b into 10bb pots, this is not my experience ... and far from what I've seen higher stakes players talking about.

It is true that a lot of players at nlhe have seen pre flop charts/solutions and/or have much clearer ideas about wtf they should be doing.

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07-08-2021 , 03:37 PM

Z06Fanatic1

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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk

AA has less of an edge as the amount of cards go up. I would also think in 5 or 6 card you'll see more flops multi-way which of course downgrades most high pair hands.

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07-08-2021 , 03:40 PM

Z06Fanatic1

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What's interesting in 4 card is AA has 64.8% over top 20%. In 5 card it has 58.22%.

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07-09-2021 , 01:05 PM

DumbosTrunk

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I like getting it in with the best hand/most equity. Just be rolled for all those times you lose in a mutiway cluster when everyone decides to go with their piece of cheese.

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08-24-2021 , 03:45 AM

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Pokerbros_Player

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Originally Posted by Z06Fanatic1

What's interesting in 4 card is AA has 64.8% over top 20%. In 5 card it has 58.22%.

is there something like propokertools for 5 card, or where did you get those numbers from?
if so, can it be used for 6card as well?
thx.

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08-24-2021 , 06:04 AM

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.isolated

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Those #s are from ppt.

Odds Oracle (which I believe you have to pay for) can do 6 card sims hand vs hand but doesn't do things like hand vs range (ie: AA vs 20% or AKQJT9ts vs 20%) for 6 card.

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08-25-2021 , 03:38 AM

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Pokerbros_Player

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Originally Posted by .isolated

Those #s are from ppt.

Odds Oracle (which I believe you have to pay for) can do 6 card sims hand vs hand but doesn't do things like hand vs range (ie: AA vs 20% or AKQJT9ts vs 20%) for 6 card.

hey, just looked it up, odds oracle can do 5card plo, not 6card unfortunately.
they say they plan to expand it, but timeframe unclear.

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