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06-08-2018 , 09:30 PM

inmyrav

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5 handed, flop 4410 rainbow, I have a pair of 77 with no equity. Second to act, 280 preflop somehow, zero interest in flop. Turn is rag. Do you ever pot here? Nitty image, but not there too long.

Sorry. 1/2 plo, I have 600 or so on the table to start.

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06-08-2018 , 10:38 PM

SeaKing

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I regret opening this thread.

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06-08-2018 , 11:57 PM

illiterat

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Live 1/2 plo and you put $56 in the pot 5 ways with rando 77?

Can you bluff your way out of this insanity? Maybe. Probably much more money to be made not being this insane in the first place though.

Also, what seaking said.

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06-09-2018 , 01:09 AM

inmyrav

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Ok, fish shouldn't be able to learn too. Got it.

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06-09-2018 , 03:59 AM

this_passing

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i asked a solver and it said gto. wp

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06-09-2018 , 06:46 AM

inmyrav

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Originally Posted by this_passing

i asked a solver and it said gto. wp

All I know is that it got through.

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06-09-2018 , 06:57 AM

Rei Ayanami

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If you got a fold, you played well. That is $280 in your pocket that a so-called 'good' player wouldn't have got.

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06-09-2018 , 06:34 PM

inmyrav

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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami

If you got a fold, you played well. That is $280 in your pocket that a so-called 'good' player wouldn't have got.

Wow, a compliment! Thank you!!

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06-09-2018 , 10:45 PM

illiterat

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Originally Posted by inmyrav

All I know is that it got through.

Would you know more if you got called?

And before you respond with another "fish can't learn" quip ... you are implying it was a good play, so seriously think about if you would think that if you got called ... because what is good/bad can't depend on just what your opponent does in response.

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06-10-2018 , 05:03 AM

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F_Ivanovic

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The more players in the pot, the better for this type of bluff. This is because anyone should realise that you have to be insane to pot bet bluff in this position when it's possible that someone can easily have a 4 or better (or maybe an overpair like AA/KK that won't fold to one bet if it were only 3 way) so by potting you represent incredible strength. I'd definitely be worried playing against you when you have the expertise of making high level plays like this.

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06-11-2018 , 04:34 PM

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3rdCheckRaise

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well, if you decide to bluff at it, then i'd bet about 120 on the turn and leave around 400 for a psb on the river...Random AA\KK or weak 4 will call the turn, but will almost always fold on the river. But as many mentioned already, please dont dump $56 pre with rando 77

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06-11-2018 , 05:52 PM

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inmyrav

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Originally Posted by illiterat

I'm not implying anything. In fact I stated that ALL I KNOW is it got though.

Has no one else ever found spots with zero equity where they just decide the pot is available?

Last edited by inmyrav; 06-11-2018 at 06:02 PM.

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06-11-2018 , 07:34 PM

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SolarAU

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I wanna know how there's 280 in the pot preflop, 5 ways and you have 77xx.

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06-11-2018 , 09:52 PM

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F_Ivanovic

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Originally Posted by inmyrav

I'm not implying anything. In fact I stated that ALL I KNOW is it got though.

Has no one else ever found spots with zero equity where they just decide the pot is available?

Sure, but you can't just be doing it with every 0/low % equity hand you have in spots like these otherwise you are going to be bluffing too much.

Your hand is kinda meh for doing it with - not the worst, but not the best by a long shot. T77x is a better candidate since you block top boat + unlikely to ever be best now or on river 5 ways but still have some equity with chance to spike a 7.

Curious what you are doing facing a caller (or 2?) I guess with your sizing you do make it awkward for overpairs to want to continue, so it's possible that a fire once and be done with the bluff is fine.

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06-12-2018 , 08:14 AM

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inmyrav

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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic

Sure, but you can't just be doing it with every 0/low % equity hand you have in spots like these otherwise you are going to be bluffing too much.

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Curious what you are doing facing a caller (or 2?) I guess with your sizing you do make it awkward for overpairs to want to continue, so it's possible that a fire once and be done with the bluff is fine.

The lack of a bet on the flop strongly indicated to me that everyone missed the flop.

If I get called/raised I am done with the hand. Agreed this is something I'd only do in occasionally, when my image is correct and the lack of flop action stands out. It was very unusual for people will check their monsters on the flop to trap.

HOW WE GOT TO THE FLOP WITH 77xx:

I forget. I may have limped or called a small bet, and I was looking at calling for 41 / 36 whilst closing the action. The guy on my left was raising ALOT. I liked that I was able to close the action whenever he raised.

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06-12-2018 , 10:29 AM

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illiterat

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Originally Posted by inmyrav

The lack of a bet on the flop strongly indicated to me that everyone missed the flop.

Can happily check a lot of value hands on T44 rainbow flops, 5 ways.

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06-12-2018 , 02:40 PM

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organdonor4cash

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Originally Posted by SolarAU

I wanna know how there's 280 in the pot preflop, 5 ways and you have 77xx.

fade in -
smoky back room, open brick walls, dim light.

there are a couple table, playing cards.

narrator off screen:
"The game in question is Pot Limit Omaha. The great game of PLO"

dealer:
"5 players to the flop, it's 44T. your turn to play OP"

Player asks "ok how much is the pot"
dealer:
"its 280 quid sir"

*record scratch. freeze frame*

narrator:
yeah, you heard that right. we're playing 1/2 plo and there are 5 people willing to put 55 quid in preflop.
and that unlucky sonofabitch you're seeing here, thats me.
and of course all i had was a pair of sevens in my hand!

how did i end up in a situation like that you may ask? i have to back up a bit...

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06-14-2018 , 08:49 AM

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inmyrav

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Originally Posted by illiterat

Can happily check a lot of value hands on T44 rainbow flops, 5 ways.

Thanks everyone for your input. I am trying to figure out if the hot run I have had at plo was luck or some kind of freakish skill I've been hiding from the world. Obviously it is luck, but I just wanted to be certain.

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06-27-2018 , 04:35 PM

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HUMBLE.

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You should never rule out luck.

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