Hey,

i was thinking about this topic and came to the following question:

Do you think its profitable to call
- a potsized openraise
- you would fold with no doubt in a online 6-max setting
- only talking about hands that are nutted
- assuming 100bb stacks
- estimating the chance of being cold 3bet by any player very low (like 10% maybe)
- with the assumption the pot is going at least 4-way 60% of the time
- for someone with a reasonable understanding of plo (beating PLO25) and tons of live experience.

Obviously it will depend on position as i would not call an OR from UTG+1 with AT72ss (obv suited to the ace) when im sitting in UTG+2, but you get the idea.


Examples would be hands like:
- QQ74r JJ98r, JT98r in late position
- or: any kind of Axxxss hand like: AT75ss, A953ds, AJ82ss, etc..


Reasons against this would be the reverse implied odds you have with hands like QQ74r JJ98r, JT98r. Second reason against would be the 4-9bb you always invest preflop to call the OR (assuming some limpers) and then fold, when you dont hit. And im not sure if this may destroy the plan.

Reasons in favor are that i think there is tons of value in this strategy.


What do you think about it?

i know you from PS and you are a good player so you wont have troubles Live

just avoid lower pocket pairs, and play more Ah suited hands and KKxx, QQxx that you would normally fold online( dont isolate limpers too much cause a lot of people will cold call, rather overlimp them)

and try to steal a lot of pots on the river. Bluff stab a lot R if it goes x/x T and it checks to you beacuse in my experience people fold way too much even though you dont rep much, but they dont think about that


where are you from? where do you play live?

you have to play a lot tighter in full ring not looser

Thanks for the compliment. I am from germany, also playing live there. Now im curious as to what your screenname is. mind telling me?



thanks for the tips. i know that i have to play tighter and i do. But the hand selection should be different imo. i try to find out if there are any spots in my game, where i am missing out on value by folding in these kind of spots.

sent you a pm

BI short if max BI is 100BB.

Obviously stakes matter, but at the lowest live games limping the hands that can flop nutted is fine (even if you'd snap fold online).
This is what donkerr meant, it's often fine to limp trash KK or QQ because people will do stupid things on Q75r with J776.

This is a terrible idea. You want to cover the worst players, maybe even if they double up. The worst players will make the biggest mistakes, esp. post overplaying bare 2nd nut hands etc. The most competent will buyin for the most, so you might want to buyin less so you aren't forced into 500bb+ hands.

With a 100BB Max it's not likely you'll have the worst players covered by a lot. They will call you down and will draw out. Short stacking will help even out the swings.

dont play short PLO

You wanna cover all the players at the table since you are gonna be the best or second best player at the table. short stacking in live plo with ridiculous rake and tips that you have to give is a terrible idea

I full stack typical games and short stack wild and crazy ones.

There is no point in buying in a full stack when you arrive at the table and half the table has 500bb stacks and you can buyin for 30 to 100. If you are starting the game, of course buyin for full stacks. But if you arrive at a wild game with big stacks all around. Buyin short. Limp reraise allin pre with good multiway hands, 4+ way, and let the big stacks knock each other out on the flop turn and river.

Not gonna happen when 100BB is the max BI in most rooms which spread 1/2 PLO. Although there's one room (Hard Rock Ft Lauderdale) which has 2/2 w/$5 open with a $1k max BI.