Villain is PLO50 reg on Global poker. Very tight and raises with AAxx and rundowns fairly equally. I haven't seen enough showdown to determine what his open limp range is, so this hand gets strange. He does limp with the intention of limp/raising with pretty much only AAxx with aggressive short stacks.


Hero is PLO50 player that focuses on table selection and quality instead of quantity. The table has 2 recs that are giving their money away but we encounter the reg in this hand.


OTTH
50PLO 9 max but only 6 players in this hand.
Villian ($120) is in CO and limps.
Button calls
SB completes
Hero ($70) in BB has AAK8
Hero raises to $2.5
Villain calls
All others fold.

Flop ($6) A92

Hero checks
Villain bets $3
Hero raises to $12.
Villain calls.

Turn ($30) 2
Hero bets $12. Villain ships.

Does he ever do this with 99xx, A2xx, 29xx? If he does, he is just calling right?

I would probably lay 9:1 that villain does not have quads. This is is a very clear call. Folding would be a mistake.

Lol

Given the action and information given, what hands do you think he is doing this with?

He could be doing this with a 2xxx hand, that he thinks just made good on the turn. 5432, 6542, Q234, K234 or some sort of weird 2xxx combo with diamonds.

Think long term for this scenario, not short term results oriented. Call and profit. Folding would be very bad. If he has quads, that's just how it goes.

Uh, call? He should have most boats available here. Moreover, how many hands w/ 22 in them does V limp-call? Tight V should have almost no 22 unless he has something like KK22.

do a backflip, fist pump, rub some $$$ on tities and then call

If omaha was played with 8 hole cards instead of 4 I’d still call this hand fairly easy

is this a ****ing joke? A thread about top boat 140bb deep where the quad combo is 22xx?

Sorry you ran into quads bro but there's a separate BBV thread

Why would he raise with quads? If you have an overfull he can get the money just as easily on the river. 99, A2, 92, 2x, maybe he is spazzing, I am pretty happy to stack off here.

I mean even if you say it is only ever 99 or 22 then you still have a very profitable all in because 99 is significantly more likely due to card removal and should be at least as likely given his preflop play (more playable 99 combos than 22, especially for a tight villain).

I'd run naked through the streets doing the river dance before I even considered folding this.

If you fear quads here (probably he had it, otherwise you would not have postet it) then please do not play any game with money involved again....

Given the action, there is no way a solid reg would raise with 2xxx or even 92xx.

Its not a matter of fear. I have ran into quads with top boat many times and vice versa. This is a question about strategy and based on the action. Yes, I have the 2nd nuts but based on the action, what hand could he possibly hold that does this?

Relative hand strength is important but hand reading might help you in the future.

No joke. Many people are simply dismissing the situation because we have a monster.




Are you raising with 99xx and 92xx? I'm not and any solid reg pro would not either. So please tell me what he has here based on the action.

Can we agree that based on the preflop action, it is very likely that I have Aces? Raising a multiway limped pot from the blinds is a big indicator of my hand strength. I agree that there is a lot more combos of 99xx that limp call pre but does 99xx really raise here? If I had 99xx, I wouldn't.

I don't know if I'm solid but I might play it this way in V's shoes with 99.

Let's think how you play a hand like 99xx. You get raised pre and call. You flop second set on an Ace high board. You bet and get check raised on flop. If you call, pot is $30 with $55 behind. Presumably, PFR has some mix of AA, combo draws, 2 pair and spaz. If you call the flop raise, aren't you committing yourself to play for stacks on good run outs? If you think PFR only has AA here, don't you need to fold to the flop raise? Folding to the flop raise is perfectly legitimate, but once you call I think you're committed when something other than a diamond or ace hits.

Now turn pairs. You hold the third nuts, and really the second nuts because PFR basically never has 22. Good V as PFR should double barrel basically his whole range here except A9 maybe, as board pairing turn cards on flush draw boards are great to double barrel. V bets $12 into 30. Are you going to fold? Seems crazy to call flop, see probably the second best turn card in the deck for you and then fold. Are you going to call? If you do, there's $54 in the pot and only $43 behind, so calling turn commits you on basically all rivers anyway. If you're beat it's all getting in on the river and if V is barreling with some type of combo draw you probably are more likely to stack him by shoving now than river.

I guess my view is that if V has 99 or 22, once he calls flop he should be getting it in at this stack depth with this turn card. He has 3 times as many combos of 99 as 22 (ignoring that 99 is more playable and more likely to call both pre flop and flop). His raise is a bit less than pot size so you need 33% equity give or take. If he plays 99 this way about 10% of the time, you need to call. You can only fold if you're basically 100% certain he only has 22 here.

Don't assume your opponents take the same view as you do, when it comes to someone raising out of position. Even a solid reg won't always assume you have AAxx just because you raised OOP vs a bunch of limpers or check raised the flop.

He is very likely not shipping 22xx on the turn because he knows you have AAxx and can't get away from it. If he thinks you have AAxx, you're obviously going to bet the river, so no need to ship on the turn. . On the flip side, you did check raise him on the flop, so he could be shipping quads because you showed strength and he feels that you can't get away from your hand, regardless of what it is.

The point that a lot of people are trying to get across, is that your opponent having quads is such a rare occurrence, that you shouldn't overthink the situation as much as you possibly are. Yes, we have all run into quads with top boat, but your long term profitability will be affected if you fold top boat into pressure, every single time someone ships a paired board.

Whether or not you feel that the player you are against is solid, doesn't mean that he or she will always take the line that you feel a solid player would take. The last thing you want to do is assume your opponents think the same way you would. That will lead to misunderstanding, missed opportunities and misplayed situations.

There is nothing wrong with trying to figure out what an opponent has in a certain situation, that is what this forum is for. However, in this situation, you really should just fist pump and ship it in. Trying to soul read whether or not your opponent has quads or not, is likely just going to cause you grief.

Whatever the end result was, mark down some notes on how your opponent played the hand, because it would be good to know if he bluffed or semi-bluffed this spot, got frisky with quads or decided to go with a 2xxx hand now on the turn, to avoid a tough river spot if the flush hit.

Lol@this question.
Yes, he raises here with A99x, A92x in addition to 22xx. If "reg" is actually limp/calling here with 22xx, the xx is mostly always another pair, and if not, then just lol.

In the long term, you have him beat here 9/10 times, so you need to call if you like money.

Guys stop entertaining this guys thirst for attention

No, like hell no. If it is then fix your raising range.

Your flop action is weird, and in theory could telegraph something about your range ... but and this is pretty important you are assuming villain must know you have AA because he called flop with 1 out.

How does reading hands help with poker, i thought only fake psychics read hands?

If villain has 22 here I tag him as a donkey and am grateful of the fact that he saves me from losing any more money if I'm bluffing.

Um, no? It's a single raised pot preflop. Trying to put your opponent on the nuts here is kind of...nuts.

Pretty incredible there's 21 responses.

U have to remember it is global, probably a good fold.

Did he have Q2Q2?