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AA67 vs huge whale and solid player AA67 vs huge whale and solid player

10-21-2017 , 05:36 PM
0.5/0.5 game
9 players. Game is very deep. Effective stacks around 300.

I have AA67 ss with the ace of clubs (but not another club).

I'm in the small blind. Big blind (villain 1) is a huge whale, extremely loose and bad player. Plays 100% of hands and peels most flops. He puts out a raise, not realizing he's the big blind. He's corrected, and puts out the big blind. 4 or 5 limps including me and he does go ahead and pot it. 4 or 5 players call and I re-pot when it comes around to me and he and one other player calls. The other player (villain 2) is solid and views me as tight (which I am). He is in MP so he has position on us both.

3 ways to the flop with about 60 in the pot

Flop 942 two clubs.

Hero?

Also would like input on pre-flop.

Last edited by ZockenRobot; 10-21-2017 at 05:45 PM.
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10-21-2017 , 05:59 PM
Perhaps C/R pot. You hold blockers to the str8 and Ace clubs.
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10-23-2017 , 01:19 PM
I bet pot and get called in both spots. Turn 6 of clubs.

Pot ~250

Hero?

I'll post results tomorrow.
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10-24-2017 , 10:20 AM
If your read on villain is correct then sounds like he's not laying down non-nut flushes. Against a more competent V1 and still against V2 then it's fine to c-bet pot/AI.

Pot c-bet on the flop is totally fine.
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10-24-2017 , 03:26 PM
I go all-in. V1 (the fish) snap calls. Villain 2 mucks what I assume was the winning hand.

V1 has KK2J w/ the king of clubs (not that that matters to him). We run it twice and chop as he turns a king on the second board.

Still not sure I like my play. V1 obviously calls extremely light so I guess it's a super thin value bet vs him and forces V2 to fold pretty much anything but a set.
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10-25-2017 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ZockenRobot
I go all-in. V1 (the fish) snap calls. Villain 2 mucks what I assume was the winning hand.

V1 has KK2J w/ the king of clubs (not that that matters to him). We run it twice and chop as he turns a king on the second board.

Still not sure I like my play. V1 obviously calls extremely light so I guess it's a super thin value bet vs him and forces V2 to fold pretty much anything but a set.

When you pot the flop you end up with a low SPR which inhibits your ability to levarge your stack on other streets.

From V1 perspective with a low SPR what's he afraid? The range he puts you on is probably AAxx to some combinations of Ace high FD. SPR appears to require that he call.
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10-27-2017 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by CJ72
When you pot the flop you end up with a low SPR which inhibits your ability to levarge your stack on other streets.

From V1 perspective with a low SPR what's he afraid? The range he puts you on is probably AAxx to some combinations of Ace high FD. SPR appears to require that he call.
How is he required to call?
Flop:
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
5,993,380 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 942
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
KcKs2dJh29.40% 1,758,9386,562
AA, Ac[Tc-Kc]70.60% 4,227,8806,562

Turn:
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
278,040 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 9426
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
KcKs2dJh8.82% 24,49142
AA, Ac[Tc-Kc]91.18% 253,50742
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10-28-2017 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ZockenRobot
How is he required to call?
Flop:
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
5,993,380 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 942
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
KcKs2dJh29.40% 1,758,9386,562
AA, Ac[Tc-Kc]70.60% 4,227,8806,562

Turn:
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
278,040 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 9426
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
KcKs2dJh8.82% 24,49142
AA, Ac[Tc-Kc]91.18% 253,50742
I thought the second club hit the turn. My error.

Pull out the AA hands. The odds calculator doesn't take into account how much weight V1 is giving to the probably that he's up against AAxx. He may think it's possible, but if his read is that you're most likely on a FD or bare A-clubs it doesn't matter that you actually have AAxx.
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11-01-2017 , 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ZockenRobot
0.5/0.5 game
9 players. Game is very deep. Effective stacks around 300.

I have AA67 ss with the ace of clubs (but not another club).

I'm in the small blind. Big blind (villain 1) is a huge whale, extremely loose and bad player. Plays 100% of hands and peels most flops. He puts out a raise, not realizing he's the big blind. He's corrected, and puts out the big blind. 4 or 5 limps including me and he does go ahead and pot it. 4 or 5 players call and I re-pot when it comes around to me and he and one other player calls. The other player (villain 2) is solid and views me as tight (which I am). He is in MP so he has position on us both.

3 ways to the flop with about 60 in the pot

Flop 942 two clubs.

Hero?

Also would like input on pre-flop.
Good idea to pot it with AAxx pre-flop, there's no way in hell you want to go to the flop with 5 other players with that hand; you get to isolate on top of build up the pot with a likely call from at least villain 1.

I like betting out the flop here. Villain 1's range here can be all over the place, and we can bet out for information against villain 2 because if he spiked a set he's going to raise.

With only 2 other players, you have what's likely to be the best hand at this point and you can get calls chasing a flush or a straight. And you still have a backdoor flush draw, and you are blocking a few draws. I like betting out to deny anyone a good price for calling.
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11-01-2017 , 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ZockenRobot
I bet pot and get called in both spots. Turn 6 of clubs.

Pot ~250

Hero?

I'll post results tomorrow.
I don't think going all in here was the right move.

Villain 1 or Villain 2 could've been chasing a flush and they hit it. You do hold the Ace of clubs, but if 1 or both have clubs that is less outs you have.

Depending on the action you could be getting a good price to chase a club on the river. But had villain 1 or 2 turned a flush, which they easily could have from the way this hand was played, you're putting in way more into the pot against the likelihood of rivering a club, against what's likely to be even smaller odds of hitting it with 1 or both villains likely also to be holding clubs.
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11-01-2017 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Julio
I don't think going all in here was the right move.

Villain 1 or Villain 2 could've been chasing a flush and they hit it. You do hold the Ace of clubs, but if 1 or both have clubs that is less outs you have.

Depending on the action you could be getting a good price to chase a club on the river. But had villain 1 or 2 turned a flush, which they easily could have from the way this hand was played, you're putting in way more into the pot against the likelihood of rivering a club, against what's likely to be even smaller odds of hitting it with 1 or both villains likely also to be holding clubs.
Julio,are you serious man? He had backdoor flushdraw with 1 club?

Also on turn he had flushdraw with bare Ace of clubs?I would advice

rechecking Pot limit Omaha rules,and answer to question what to do on turn

is check fold.Chance that opponent who was chasing clubs folds is close

to 0.They can have just a 9 or various trash,so you check and very rarely

you can even win at showdown,
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11-02-2017 , 12:28 PM
Wtf is going on? Did hero manage to get in a 600bb blocker with a NF blocker and manage to be good?
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11-02-2017 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz
Wtf is going on? Did hero manage to get in a 600bb blocker with a NF blocker and manage to be good?
Apparently yes. They both thought they have flush draw
So all in was inevitable.
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11-09-2017 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Purasevic
Apparently yes. They both thought they have flush draw
So all in was inevitable.
Villains was Julio playing against his poker coach.
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