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Old 03-15-2019, 07:37 AM   #1
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AA oop

.5/.10

hero sb $15.93 with AAQ2, bb $10, UTG $16.68.

UTG opens to $0.20, folds round to hero who calls $0.20, bb calls.

flop ($0.57)
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hero checks, bb checks, UTG bets $0.20, hero folds, bb folds.

result
UTG wins $0.77

thoughts?
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Old 03-15-2019, 08:34 AM   #2
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Re: AA oop

A routine hand of PLO.
This hand is made especially easy by the presence of the bb.
Without him, you could flat a 1/3p bet on this flop because he's unlikely to have a very strong hand having raised from UTG and you have a future blocker w/A though this last part is negligible being OOP. Would fold 100% to turns that are not Aces and 3's.
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Old 03-15-2019, 11:41 AM   #3
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Re: AA oop

what do we think about pre? i thought not juicing the pot up and allowing it to go 3-way in the first place was a bad play?

we've flatted AA and folded to a cbet on a board that doesn't hit the openers range too often.

me confuzzled
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:06 PM   #4
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Unless I think there's a good chance of a multiway pot or getting 3B otb I'm just chucking this hand pre. Maybe play it if there are other factors with villian but as is chuck it and get a good hand.
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:23 PM   #5
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You are 60% minimum here versus everything. Not forcing him to put in a pot's worth of money before the flop is a very bad mistake. There is nothing clever about flatting AA pre. It is just leaving money on the table.
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:24 PM   #6
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Re: AA oop

@Sir Huntington why? because of postflop playability? we're a decent favourite pre against even a 3% utg open range which is tight at these limits.

@Czech those were my thoughts.

this is not me playing the hand btw, i just saw someone else play it. to me, flatting them pre and then just folding to a cbet is insanely weak.
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:29 PM   #7
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Unless I think there's a good chance of a multiway pot or getting 3B otb I'm just chucking this hand pre. Maybe play it if there are other factors with villian but as is chuck it and get a good hand.
Seriously...

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Old 03-15-2019, 12:32 PM   #8
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Unless I think there's a good chance of a multiway pot or getting 3B otb I'm just chucking this hand pre. Maybe play it if there are other factors with villian but as is chuck it and get a good hand.
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:49 PM   #9
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cheers Czech you confirmed what i thought...but i don't get it, i assume the other guys are winning players (as are you?) so why the difference in opinion ?
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:56 PM   #10
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I think it's playable if we play hi/lo. All I see is AA with a Q in there. I'd like something extra to go with it, suited or another broadway cards.



What's interesting is that this thread got me thinking about my 3 bet game ip. Instead of doing so much CC I should be 3 betting more. There's a bot on WPN and other players that crushes with high 3 bets ip. The bot plays 10plo too lol.

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Old 03-15-2019, 01:16 PM   #11
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cheers Czech you confirmed what i thought...but i don't get it, i assume the other guys are winning players (as are you?) so why the difference in opinion ?
Curious why you are assuming that?

Anyway, they're both wrong although folding pre is beyond awful. 3b can never be awful but pretty certain that flatting is best. Aces that aren't suited or connected are flats when OOP.
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Old 03-15-2019, 02:21 PM   #12
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^ just isolated especially seems to give advice which people agree is good so i assume he's a winning player. i know you're a winning player....i just don't want to take advice from people who don't win at plo that's all ! and being a noob myself it's hard to know what is good and not sometimes.

i was pretty sure that this hand was played poorly from the hero but now you're saying flatting is ok - what do we do on the flop ? just check fold ? peel one off and fold if we miss ? if we feel the money can go in pre or create a flop stp of 1ish or less we should raise it up pre with any AA no ?
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Old 03-15-2019, 03:10 PM   #13
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I prefer flatting flop to fold.
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Old 03-15-2019, 07:00 PM   #14
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Curious why you are assuming that?



Anyway, they're both wrong although folding pre is beyond awful. 3b can never be awful but pretty certain that flatting is best. Aces that aren't suited or connected are flats when OOP.
I know and respect your game and posts and I struggle to believe you would flat call any hand, much less Aces, from the SB to a single UTG minraise at PLO10.

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Old 03-15-2019, 08:10 PM   #15
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I know and respect your game and posts and I struggle to believe you would flat call any hand, much less Aces, from the SB to a single UTG minraise at PLO10.
Yeah you're right; at PLO10 I'm 3b Aces (and any hand I'm happy to play) almost every time facing a m-r since you can get away with being exploitive there. In a tough game though I'm certain flatting is best. And regardless I don't think flatting can ever be a big mistake here with your worst Aces.
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Old 03-15-2019, 09:01 PM   #16
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@OP Don't assume any of us here are winners but Ivanovic is legit. Browse his posts.

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Old 03-16-2019, 07:08 AM   #17
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haha, thanks. Pretty certain that everyone that replied here except Sir Huntington is a winning player though but it's hard to know if you're new to the forum who's advice to trust!
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Old 03-16-2019, 08:10 AM   #18
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^ i deffo remember someone with your exact name on Sky Poker, winning on the limited plo games there
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