Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 100.76 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 7.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 41)
Hero (BTN): 149.8 BB
SB: 116.04 BB (VPIP: 24.39, PFR: 4.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 41)
BB: 185.94 BB (VPIP: 32.35, PFR: 14.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.58, PFR: 18.60, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 44)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K 8 2 A

fold, MP raises to 3.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 3.5 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (8.5 BB, 2 players) 8 3 A
MP bets 4.04 BB, Hero raises to 12.12 BB, MP calls 8.08 BB

Turn: (32.74 BB, 2 players) K
MP checks, Hero bets 15.56 BB, MP raises to 77.8 BB, Hero ?

Thoughts on raising on flop vs. just flatting? After the c/raise, can we find a fold? We block most set combos, but the board is just so dry it's hard to see what we beat here.

What was your game plan after betting less than half pot on the turn?

It looks like you're either very weak, or worried that your 2 pair just got counterfeit. I'd probably check raise you too lol.

Also, this is likely a fold preflop. Although you have position, your hand requires very specific flops to be any good.

At this point I'm just getting it in. You pretty much got the turn card you wanted. Folding with 3 pair seems very weak.

which is why I don't like the flop raise too much. What's your thought behind it, and what would you do if he 3-bets the flop already? Do you think you get value from a lot of Axxx hands, or do you want to protect vs AQJx type of hands?

that K on the turn makes this hand just perfect to call it down in position, imo

@DingusEgg

Game plan on turn is to get called by weaker 2 pairs and and go for three streets of value on river. Board is so dry, I don't think it makes much sense to bet bigger. I really didn't expect a c/raise because I block most sets.

As played, agree that folding 3 pair seems weak, but is villain realistically ever bluffing here at these stakes?

@ Wentin Well

Thought was to protect against AQJx hands. Any overcard to the 8 puts us in a tough spot on the turn if villain keeps barreling.

fold pre, pretty bad hand.

flop is so dry, you should call everything IMO. but as played, go all in on the turn. villain could easily have the same hand or AA, everything else is pretty unlikely.

Nope. My feeling is he either has a set or AK. Seems odd to cbet sets on that flop, since you can't really call with anything. I expect to see AK here a lot and just chop it up. Hate calling to chop, but hate folding 3 pair on this board even more.

Personally I would prefer a flat call on flop. Puts you in control on the turn, with really not a whole lot to be afraid of on the flop.

fold preflop this is a weak hand

I doubt you would have played it worse if you had just closed your eyes and clicked buttons at random

Whoever your therapist is, pay them less. They're not doing a good job.

My apologies for being so forward.

Look man I'm here to learn. I obviously wouldn't have posted if I thought I played it perfectly. But your "lol u suck" post wasn't constructive or helpful.

I don't know what purpose it serves except to feed your own ego.

But what if my ego needs boosting when I run bad?

Again: My apologies for being direct. But its my firm belief that you made the wrong decision at every point possible in this hand. And I should add: by quite a large margin

There is nothing wrong with being direct, but being direct without making any sort of constructive criticism just makes you sound like an a**hole. Your posts did nothing to further the conversation, and were completely useless. And I should add: by quite a large margin.

We're all here to learn and get better. Perhaps a little more of that and a little less of whatever you decided to share today.

this is a trashy hand m8, pre is the only clear mistake in the hand

flop is a bit non-standard to raise, bc your range is quite weak on this board, and with this combo you have bdfd. if you're gonna raise some two pairs, I would stick to non bdfd hands maybe to maintain some semblance of balance.

OTOH, once solvers play PLO, they might like this raise, bc we lack any backdoor straight cards, and maybe we need protection vs. stuff like QJT9.

also don't like the turn sizing, like dingus said, it makes your hand kinda face up, just bet a normal size. it's not like you have merged value bets here really, two pairs is a good hand on this board, so 45% size doesn't make sense.


I would fold to the jam, he's not protection jamming worse two pairs on this board, and yeah he would be hard pressed to find any sort of bluffs.

why are people bashing the flat call pre?
we're IP so if it goes HU we have a lot of FE postflop. and if the blinds come along, we have decent implied odds whenever we flush-over-flush a villain.

don't get me wrong, I'd fold pre as a default but against a nit it can't be that bad given the FE postflop.

would you guys still fold if
a) we have 2 diamonds (not blocking our own outs)
b) either the 8 was a wheel-card or the deuce connected to the 8?
c) both a) and b) ?