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5 PLO Zoom: Beaten by only one combo 5 PLO Zoom: Beaten by only one combo

04-02-2018 , 03:41 PM
PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $4.22 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
Hero (SB): $6.15
BB: $4.17 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
UTG: $4.05 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
MP: $5.00 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
CO: $14.67 (VPIP: 34.62, PFR: 26.92, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has T 9 9 Q

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

Is it ok to flat button open's in the SB in general? I don't really want to be bloating the pot pre-flop by 3betting when I have to play the rest of the hand OOP. My hand seems too good to fold against what is quit likely a wider range. Is that a fair assessment?

Flop: ($0.45, 3 players) 2 9 Q
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN checks

I check to the raiser with the intention of raising their c-bet since I have middle set and a blocker to top set.

Turn: ($0.45, 3 players) 4
Hero bets $0.43, BB raises to $1.72, fold, Hero is perplexed
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04-02-2018 , 04:19 PM
delighted to get the chips in here, unlikely to have the QQ here maybe worse sets and 2 pairs
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04-02-2018 , 06:47 PM
I’m not first pumping but I’m definitely repotting, considering your check on the flop there are lots of hands V would raise with here.

Pre is close but for me it’s a fold. Even if I was convinced the BTN was stealing this hand doesn’t flop well enough to play it OOP vs 2 or 3 people. If the gap were on the bottom, the pair on the top, or we had a second suit I think its perfectly playable.
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04-03-2018 , 04:06 AM
Easy re-pot, he could have 44xx as well, for example.
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04-03-2018 , 12:19 PM
If you are folding here it's as a massive exploit of BB, where you've played many hands with them and seen that they never raise anything but 99 or QQ here. Otherwise put the money in and take your quad beat like a plo player.

Pre, is kind of interesting ... I'd assume it's a call at $5 plo just because everyone is so bad (BB won't raise enough, people won't bluff enough post etc.), but that can train you that this is better than it appears and bad things will happen when you play too many hands in the SB with better villains.
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04-03-2018 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Brussels Sprout
Is it ok to flat button open's in the SB in general?
Depends on the opponent. If they raise the button a lot and fold to 3bets a lot, then no, raise now and just take it down.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brussels Sprout
My hand seems too good to fold
Correct and flatting is fine, since you have stated you're looking to control size of pot, due to your position.

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Originally Posted by Brussels Sprout
against what is quit likely a wider range. Is that a fair assessment?
No. You only have 28 hands on him. He's a tight player for omaha, so unless you have a lot of button stats on him, just assume that he raises fairly tight from all positions until you can prove otherwise.

On the turn, you can reraise him, and you should have no issue getting it in. If he woke up with QQ, its just a cooler. Can't fold every hand to reraise just because you don't have the nuts. If he has QQ, just take a note that he has checked top set in position in the past, even with draws out, and move along.
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04-03-2018 , 01:16 PM
Ok thanks for all the answers guys. We got it in on the turn and he did in fact have the case pair of Queens. Coming from a NLHE background I was wondering if this was more of a "I've an overpair and a nit raises my turn c-bet on a dry board" scenario or a "I get raised when I have a non-nut full house on a 3-to-a-flush board" scenario. From the responses it seems like it's more the latter than the former.
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04-03-2018 , 02:11 PM
Did he have any straight draws to go along with his QQ, or was it just top set?

Generally if the flop action is heavy, you can argue for folding middle set if you have a good read on your opponent, but it gets a lot trickier on the turn, when villain has given you little reason to believe he actually has QQ.

Since PLO is such a drawy game, most players tend to be more aggressive on all streets with hands like sets, simply because they get outdrawn so often.
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04-03-2018 , 02:46 PM
This was the rest of the action including his hand


Flop: ($0.45, 3 players) 2 9 Q
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.45, 3 players) 4
Hero bets $0.43, BB raises to $1.72, fold, Hero raises to $5.59, BB calls $2.30 and is all-in

River: ($8.49, 2 players) T

Hero shows T 9 9 Q (Three of a Kind, Nines)
(Pre 32%, Flop 7%, Turn 3%)
BB shows T Q 3 Q (Three of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 68%, Flop 93%, Turn 98%)
BB wins $8.16
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