Hero Mid position - $1800 - in for $700 so up a nice little bit. Been playing a little wider than normal since table isn't 3betting much, and playing even wider.

Villain Big blind - $900 - Was up around 2k and has been losing and is probably getting frustrated. Is playing wider now that he is losing, and is normally decent when running good. Now that he is tilting it's tough to say.

villain 2 UTG - $400 - Just your average PLO donk who isn't winning and playing too wide

Blinds are 1/2 with $5 bring in

Hero is mid position and over calls $15 from UTG with K2K85 - not the worst starting hand in this game

kq5
$61
4 to the flop
BB checks
UTG goes $50
I flat
BTN folds
BB calls

I sometimes raise here, but figured UTG is going to bet any turn any ways since that's what he does and I can just pot his turn bet and get all the money in on good turn cards.

$211
Turn 6

Sweet I still have the nuts
BB checks
UTG goes $215
I jam
BB tank calls
UTG tank calls

(For those that know how to pot the BB had about $40 left after calling but I think this is besides the point haha)

These are the hands i'm against

board: kdqd5s
Hand Equity Wins Ties
astsjs3h6h 22.99% 110 38
kc2ckh8d5d 44.03% 247 0
ad7d7h4cjh 32.98% 166 38


board: kdqd5s6s
Hand Equity Wins Ties
astsjs3h6h 36.36% 11 2
kc2ckh8d5d 33.33% 11 0
ad7d7h4cjh 30.30% 9 2


May of made a mistake by not potting flop? I have a lot more equity on flop than I do on turn which I couldn't believe until I ran the sim.

Thoughts?

So i have 33.33% in a $2200ish pot. If I get it in on flop I would of had 44%. I was trying to see a safe turn card first as I felt I would have more equity if I saw a blank. But honestly I don't think there is any card that can come that gives me good equity on the turn. Any card that comes I still have under 50% equity unless the board pairs which kills my action.

River

not that experienced with 5c but given that another set can stack off on the flop and there are tons of draws and we block 2 fd outs id guess we have really good equity on the flop vs everything id rather raise pot. we have 3A,1Q,4J,4T,49 and another 4 fd completing cards on which we have a tough time valuebetting too. personally thats just too many cards for me to slowplay here even if utg is of the barreling type.

edit: and these considerations are w/o really thinking about all other turns where we clearly see in your sims that they (obviously) dont really benefit our equity so much and open alot of backdoor draws as we play vs 10 cards

Your posts are always so results oriented. You win this, you're happy, and it never gets posted.

Anyways, as guy above me says, pot flop w/top set cuz you want to be able to stack another set and the only time you're behind is a worst case scenario which doesn't happen often and even then you have 45%.

edit: i'm ignoring the actual worst case scenario which is someone having a set and another having wrap/fd

As people have already stated you are to result oriented.
I strongly disagree with potting the flop, and the reasons are:
1. Villains knows we got Topset here like 100% and can play perfect against us with his range, just calling the flop raise and give up on the turn or bomb the turn when they hit and we are in a nasty situation. People are not going to go crazy with NFD and jam for $900 in a SRP.
2. It gives random aggro people another chance to take a stab at the pot.
3. WE GET ALL THE MONEY IN ON THE TURN.

definitely raise the flop. utg is not even that deep, so you don't have to worry too much about bad turns, especially with your emergency diamonds.

I'd fold pre (I know playing a winning VPIP in live PLO is mind-numbing).

To make KK profitable we need at least one of the following:

- an Ace blocker and a suit
- three connected cards around the Ks and a suit
- two high suits and some connectivity
- another broadway pair and a suit

Tight is right!

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ya I was thinking this too. I feel like my call pre was pretty bad with out closing the action and with out having an ace. Good point.

I've posted a few threads where I win. But you learn a lot more when you lose. No one bothers trying to learn if they are always getting a good result. If I win this I probably wouldn't bother to run the sims and probably would not post. You are correct.

I think this is a pretty good thread as I am hearing both sides of whether to pot or call flop.

Pre is fine imo

Pot the flop, only a card 2-8 not a diamond is good for us.

As others have said, this is a result oriented post, think about all the hands u won with top set, have you ever posted one here?

I think the decision is not to fold, but to ether pot the flop or turn. I don't really think the result maters

Who said anything about folding?

Like i said i prefer potting the flop but if u slowplay turn is a no brainer repot when that sweet 6s rolls off.

I think u should’ve just posted the flop action and ask for advice. There isnt really any decision on the turn anymore.

You got all your money in good. Calling flop is fine. If you're looking for a way to prevent getting stacked in these spots there is an answer ... NLHE.

I want to get all the money in with the best equity. Didn't really think i'd lose equity by seeing a turn card

Yeh, but you were against the better diamonds, huge wrap, and backdoor spades (that hit a gutter for straight value too). That's almost as much results orientated as if you win or lose. Like if the 7c rolls off the turn and everyone still stacks off then you don't think about it much. Also, it's not like you can cash in those Sklansky dollars for anything so it doesn't matter that much.

I'm not sure about flop, I'd probably want to raise this hand but I'd be aware that this is like the only hand I'd want to be raising.