Longtime reader, first time poster.

This hand caused some controversy at the table which made me rethink myself and my action.

5-5 Live- Full Ring. Straddle on.
V1- $2,300 -UTG +1. loose, passive. With periodic fits of spaz LAG. New to PLO.
Hero-$6,500 - CO. Super PLO All-star
V2- $500 - BU. Older guy. Weak tight.

Hero in CO 3578r

V1 limps, UTG+2 raises to 40. 6-way to flop. (blinds and straddle called)

Flop:A46

V1 bets 200. Hero Calls. V2 Calls. 3-way to turn.

Turn:9

V1 pots 840. Hero Calls. V2 All in for less.

Forgive me if this is super standard. My thought process is that even if I am up against set and flush draw I am doing ok. I originally was leaning towards jamming and putting V1 to test with smaller sets and two pair + non-nut draw hands.

But as it often happens. When i get confused. I call.

Any advice/critique would be very much appreciated!

Hand looks standard. Folding the turn is an option vs some opponents, but it looks like you have implied odds here, and maybe can even can represent the flush if checked to on river

Looks standard. I think it's a fold without the 9.

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Well you are somewhere around 45% against V1 his range of As6xxs, 44, 66, AA and some Ax wraps with spades. And against a similar but any random 2 spade hand for V2 you end up about 37% for the main pot. And still 45% for the side pot.

It is a jam because you have some FE.

The guy who's potting is loose passive, so I don't think there's much fold equity.

Jam is probably less +EV than calling because of that.

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When and why should we ever be folding turn?

I think short stack all in makes this a flat rather than a shove. I’m not sure we have FE here because V is loose passive and has basically potted two streets. And even if we get a fold in the side pot we’re still drawing in main pot. We

Yeah I am sure the FE is slim but its >0%.

But maybe we get some bluffs through when a spade hits and V1 checks.

Both plays are +EV. I like taking the easy route and just jamming and not having to make any decisions on the river.

Fold pre

Fold pre +1

How many rivers give us a hard decision though? Just spades that complete our straight draw. Discounting spades if I did math right we have 15 clean outs. 44 unknown cards so that give us more than necessary pot odds to call. Calling saves us 1300 when we whiff.

Problems with shoving is that we’re risking about 1300 to win the 560 side pot and we’re facing a loose passive player who has potted it twice. Either he has a set, two pair w spades or a monster draw or some spaz. Any way he’s not folding nearly enough to justify a big bet into a small side pot relative to what’s in the main.

I think the real question is whether to bluff if non board pairing spade hits the river and it checks to us. That’s a much more profitable bluff because we’d be risking 1300 to win 1100 side.

Also, +2 on fold pre this hand is trash especially 6-way

I think jamming the turn makes significantly less money over time than calling does. I'm talking hundreds of dollars in difference, assuming we can make good decisions on the river.

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What's to be discussed? Lol @ shoving turn and lol @ folding turn

Fold pre

Lol @ fold pre, do you guys even know how many hands/hour you get live? You're gonna be sitting around for hours waiting for magnums whereas super plo all-stars gonna be raking it in with massive wraps.

i think u mean

I feel like folding should be fine w/ no suits. It's not a terrible preflop call, but I'd at least like some emergency suits.

AP on flop you have a wrap and have to worry about a tight passive who raised behind you preflop on A hi board, so yeah, proceeding w/ caution.

On turn, you're just priced to hit your straight. Gamble gamble!

fold the flop

The fact we flop and turn the absolute nuts for this hand and it's a sigh call should explain why the above is garbage. The best thing that could have happened is if V1 spazzed with TT5s2s and hero wouldn't need to post.