UTG: 466.37 BB (VPIP: 45.79, PFR: 16.32, 3Bet Preflop: 7.22, Hands: 193)
CO: 105.27 BB (VPIP: 23.22, PFR: 15.17, 3Bet Preflop: 6.18, Hands: 1,823)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.12, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 8.87, Hands: 857)
Hero (SB): 136.61 BB
BB: 99.01 BB (VPIP: 85.71, PFR: 37.36, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 92)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 J 7 T

fold, fold, BTN raises to 3.5 BB, Hero raises to 11.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 8 BB

Flop: (24 BB, 2 players) 2 Q J
Hero checks, BTN bets 23.25 BB, Hero raises to 93 BB


Villain is a tight reg, raise first in button only 15/47 opportunities, although there is a big fish on BB, so he could be wider here.

Flop I feel it's a bit gross against a tighter opponent, when we gii seems like we often run into a hand that has us crushed in every direction.
X/f would be brutally weak though.
X/c flop and play a turn?
Fold pre?

Easy call pre with a big fish in BB. Sure it plays a little better HU rather than 3-way, but we're not pushing any equity at all against a tight button opener even with the small sample size. I don't think I would ever 3-bet this OOP.

I would never 3 bet this hand OOP. Call is ok but probably a fold for me.

Flop raise is fine to me. Hard to be dominated in all directions other than overpair with clubs. We have no idea which of our outs are clean but that doesn't matter if we're effectively all in.

3bet this type of opponent with this hand is debatable,but once we get to this point,i would not fold this.If he has pair plus higher fd good for him,but i like check raising all in here.

Ok, we can consider calling w/ fish in bb, but how is it not std 3bet Sb-BTN?
Not pushing equity seems completely irrelevant - like we sould prefer 3betting KK82ss which actually pushes some equity.
If psb float implies strength and villain never fold I dont like CRAI.

What do mean c/f is weak? And c/gii being crushed is terrible but at least it's strong play!?

I don't like his psb float. You don't need to bet pot to fold out disconnected AA or air, seems more like an element of an exploitative strategy which means you should reevaluate relative strength of your hand.

I actually don't mind c/f and making note w/ the info you already have.

not that I always do it in game

yes +1 I think you're right on

What would be then your 3bet % Sb-BTN?If this hand is standard 3bet i guess

you re 3betting close to 20%,not sure how optimal is that.

J-high rundown $ss w/ 1 gap - decent hand to proceed with vs widish BTN range. One of best speculative 3bet hand. And calling J-high generally sucks OOP. Fundamental knowledge.

Have you watched Galfond videos? Recommend if you didnt.

Yea i watched most of Galfond`s videos and see your point.I think i misunderstood

`standard` as something we always do,like this was mandatory do 3bet every time.

Btw,Galfond play very tight from the SB,i think he would be closer to fold this hand.

Lol at learning fundamental from galfond

Btw what do you think about 3betting this from sb and what should be your line on flop as played in the hand?

bad. bet/call.

I don't mind 3bet pre.

As played, I don't see a good reason to c/r instead of cbetting. I guess we give villain a chance to bluff his air, but this is a pretty wet flop so I wouldn't expect villain to be stabbing a lot. More likely he takes the free card with his pair + gutshot/pair + BDFD type hands. When he bets, I don't think we can get him off his hand very much, and we're not fist-pumping against his AI range.

I'd rather cbet and try to take it down. If he comes over the top, I think we have to make the crying call.

Did polo and my posts get censored???

Seems like it

We were having great banter. This is a new low for 2p2, no wonder every forum is dead.