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Old 08-02-2020, 09:01 AM   #1
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2PLO - How does flop bet size effect later streets

Hand 1:

Very small sample size against villian, but he's been in every pot i've seen

PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 89 BB
SB: 190.5 BB
BB: 101.5 BB
UTG: 42.5 BB
MP: 131 BB
Hero (CO): 97 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K J Q Q

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 7.5 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 6.5 BB, UTG calls 5.5 BB

Flop: (23 BB, 3 players) 8 J 4
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 13 BB, BB calls 13 BB, fold

Turn: (49 BB, 2 players) K
BB checks, Hero bets 38 BB, BB calls 38 BB

River: (125 BB, 2 players) 3
BB checks, Hero bets 38.5 BB and is all-in, BB calls 38.5 BB

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Hand 2:

PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 88 BB
SB: 125.5 BB
BB: 105 BB
UTG: 128 BB
MP: 44.5 BB
Hero (CO): 307 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K T A 2

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, BTN raises to 6 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 19.5 BB, BTN calls 13.5 BB

Flop: (40.5 BB, 2 players) 6 4 A
Hero bets 31 BB, BTN calls 31 BB

Turn: (102.5 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero bets 79 BB, BTN calls 37.5 BB and is all-in

River: (177.5 BB, 2 players) 7

BTN cashed out 42 BB for a fee of 0.5 BB

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Old 08-03-2020, 07:05 AM   #2
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Re: 2PLO - How does flop bet size effect later streets

Hand 1 is interesting spot both flop and turn. Both streets demonstrate the need to plan ahead and importance of controlling pot size. Flop would be a check for most. There is a lot to discuss about sizing on these kinds if textures but i would ask you - why that sizing , and how other hands in your range would act on the flop?

Hand 2 - my questions are why are we betting so much on a good flop for our range and then shoving a bad turn?
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Old 08-03-2020, 04:32 PM   #3
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Re: 2PLO - How does flop bet size effect later streets

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Hand 1 is interesting spot both flop and turn. Both streets demonstrate the need to plan ahead and importance of controlling pot size. Flop would be a check for most. There is a lot to discuss about sizing on these kinds if textures but i would ask you - why that sizing , and how other hands in your range would act on the flop?

Hand 2 - my questions are why are we betting so much on a good flop for our range and then shoving a bad turn?
Fair questions, and in all honesty i've simply been playing around with different bet sizes...and doing so without a plan.

With that in mind in hand 1 i have an SPR of 4 on the flop and <2 on the turn. If i do decide to bet, and adjust the flop bet to 15bb and get a call then i have almost a pot sized bet if i want to push the river. Am i on the right track?

Hand 2 simply isnt a good line on either flop or turn.
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Old 08-03-2020, 06:31 PM   #4
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Re: 2PLO - How does flop bet size effect later streets

Hand 1 you want to start by thinking of equity and playability:

Can you call a xr?
How often will you be called?
How does hand play on future streets when you are called?
How often do you want to turn your hand (tp with modest potential to improve) into a bluff?


Choosing to cbet here is the start of a very thorny road - at least against good opponents.


Also on this semi-dynamic texture, we should gravitate to larger sizes in general - employing smaller sizings (less than half) comes with many complications.

If we construct a simple strategy on the flop we would probably choose between a large (lets say 75%) bet and checkback - no other options.

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Old 08-04-2020, 03:09 AM   #5
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Re: 2PLO - How does flop bet size effect later streets

Hand 1: despite what others are saying, This is just unfortunate. The guy made a really
Bad call and sucked out. That being said, my question to you is what is your flip plan if he raises you?

Hand 2: too aggressive pre flop. This is not a hand you want to be getting out of line with oop and while you do block AAxx and KKxx, you established already the V is really loose and will play most hands (hand 1 being a prime example). Flop bet is too big and you’ve got to question what hands will call your bet - you have an ok hand you’ve effectively turned it into a bluff. The 53 is the best case scenario. Nothing wrong with a x call on flop. Turn again betting way too big. A few smaller wraps hit (not unlikely with a player as loose as V) and now additional draws come into play with the flushdraw. This is an awkward spot now. At micros, I think you have to check here and hope V checks too. No hand worse than yours is calling
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Old 08-04-2020, 08:38 AM   #6
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Re: 2PLO - How does flop bet size effect later streets

The only substantial decision I make differently is to check back the flop on hand 1. 3-ways you can expect to be up against a decently strong range and you don't have enough blockers or backdoor potential, your equity isn't great vs even a calling range and you get raised off the best hand sometimes.

Hand 2 the 4b preflop is mandatory with your hand. I then probably bet bigger on the flop, as played turn is a jam and pray given how little he has left.

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