1/3 PLO Game.

Hero (2k) - tight player who plays only a few hands an hour - large pot I won was in the Holdem portion of the round by round where I hero called a LAG villain's check raise bluff on a J104 flop and my AQ held for a 2k pot.

Villain (covers): Professional 10/20 PLO player from Horseshoe Hammond. Relies on his luck and deep bankroll to crush this smaller game. Gets in bad spots often trying to hit big.

Hero: AhA8h9 in BB.

4 limpers, villain makes it 40, SB calls, I call, all 4 limpers call.

I'm out of position and need to hit something so I elect to just flat.

Flop: 256 with 2 hearts.
Everyone checks to villain who bets out 130. SB folds. I call. 3 field players call.

Turn K non-heart.

Everyone checks to Villain who bombs 800.

Do I call here? Any discussion.
I make the call. All others fold.

River K (non-heart)

I check. Villain shoves forcing me
all-in. I think he is capable of having a busted straight draw here or a busted flush draw, but can we really beat enough of his range?

Discussion appreciated.

River bet is slightly over 1k.

<---- High stakes plo forum, theyd be a lot better qualified


why didnt you raise flop?

and he's not really "bombing" the turn as the pot is now 930

youre getting about 3.5:1 on the river, do you think you beat 22% of his range here?

Move to the PLO forum.

What do you think you beat on the river?

Why did you check the flop?

I'll admit the plan for the hand wasn't there. I failed with that. I planned to check call him and call any made river, but I failed to hit. Now I'm going against the plan of folding missed rivers because I caught him bluffing earlier.

I beat only 2 hands I can think of 5678 and 4567 both with heart draws. Maybe QQ56 double suited or JJ56 double suited.

Fold turn.
Move to plo forum.

fold turn, hand face-up, can't bluff catch river.

that deep AA89 one suit is a pretty nice hand to 3bet.

As played donk flop or check raise flop are fine.

may have played with this V while he was waiting for his game to begin the other night. we were talking about the biggest pot he ever lost in his life the other night playing 10/20 plo, and from what i can pick up from him is that he is on extreme life tilt right now. even the 20 or so mins he played with us he was very bluffy and eager to get involved as much as possible. Very well can carry over to how he would player 1/2 plo. If it is the same dude, then i can see a bluff in his range more than 22% of the time

bet flop

jam turn after he bets that much.

false

3b pre, prefer leading flop, as played check raise flop and let him put his money wih any piece of the board.
Turn meh

Raise flop
Call turn
Call river

Preflop I don't mind a flat call here because most opponents will mark you with aces with your image, and marked aces may be tough to play oop deep post flop. If you think you could induce a 4bet from the LAG with a small 3bet then I would do it.

The flop is the key part. Your hand has 45% equity vs 43XX and 40% vs 66XX so although not ideal getting it in isn't a disaster. I like a lead here. It will force the players in between you and the PFR to identify their hand strength. As played, I think I would take a shot at a c/r versus his less than half pot bet. It will look really strong with you image, and even if one of the other players holds 34 they won't be happy w/o redraws (if they are good players).

OTT your equity drops to 26% vs 43XX and 29% vs 66XX, so I think a c/c is best. You are being laid 2600 to 800 in implied odds versus the PFR and can reasonably expect on of the others to come along. If someone had 43 other than the PFR, you would think they wouldve gotten aggresive by now.

OTR would this player value bet 34 here? If not, with value bet range is only flopped sets, KKh, and maybe some random K6 hands. But, its also a good spot for him to bluff all the missed wraps around the 56 since he probably puts you on the NFD and thinks you lead the river if you had a FH. It's marginal either way, but I think I find a call here.

That is him. I talked with him about that pot last night.

He's one of the very few players that can show up with a bluff here I think.

Folding turn though is definitely the lowest variance choice though.

mistake against that villain is not to 3b preflop, or as played raise otf.
dont like your line at all, im folding on the turn

im far off with wazz, im not a nit fwiw

3 betting or flatting are fine, depends on your percieved range, being this deep and OOP, I prefer flatting.

C/ring flop is just burning money on flop vs a range that bets into this many players especially this deep, once we check, its a pretty easy call to keep in worse draws. I prefer leading typically though since we can call a raise this deep and many hands that would call a bet typically will not bet themselves.

Turn, we are massively behind his range and is a really easy fold unless we are sure there is implied odds similar to the flop situation.

Hard to imagine river can be a call given a player's betting range on turn into 4 players will not be weak or wide ever unless hes insane.

100 bbs deep this becomes a much different hand, deep changes everything in this spot.

Am I going insane? People want to fold the turn?!

folding the turn when we have basically the stone cold nuts vs a weak range that we dominate a lot and that is always going to stack off is a much bigger mistake than just folding this hand pre imo. in fact its probably worse than repotting and then folding pre too, or just taking out your wallet and giving it to vil.

Lmfao!

But what about the river though?
We brick. He has a lot of K high flush draws in his range (at least I think so)

Thats the tightness in you kicking in. (K hi fds make up only a small portion of his overall range) Bottom line for the river is he has a **** tonne of busted draws.

I can see what you mean. I'm still getting into PLO (only played maybe 50-60 hours). I agree there are tons of busted draws though. Is making busted draw hero calls really a large part of PLO especially against tough opponents?

If theyre good enough to read that youre weak in a certain spot(s) you will get bluffed a decent amount by decent players. It becomes a bigger part of the game the more short handed it gets.
Someone with more plo experience will be able to give you a more detailed answer on that topic!
Theres a variety of topics in this thread too, v good sht!

might have.
reads on villain are a little vague. his range also includes various sets/2pair/nut hands.

agree that we oftenhave the best hand on the turn but as the hand was played we will have to call our entire stack on the river too since this villain should be bombing any river, we are pretty much in the dark with deep stacks.

dont hate shoving turn tho

im raising otf and dont get into those spots ott

Im a tard!
Fmp.

^^^
Also +1 to raising flop, its a criminal offense not to. :P