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25PLO Barrelling with flush draw 25PLO Barrelling with flush draw

04-18-2017 , 06:29 PM
I'm not sure about preflop here, I guess BB isn't going to fold very often but I'm still trying to figure out blind vs blind dynamics in PLO!

I think the flop and turn bets are OK with a good flush draw and being able to rep strong Ax and/or 2 pair+.

I wasn't sure if I could continue this bluff on the river though. I didn't feel like he would have that much Axxx in his BB range and other than that, all the draws missed. I could also still rep all the nutted hands.

Therefore could I expect to get a river bluff through often enough to make it worth it?

    Party, $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 4 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37707993

    BB: $19.92 (79.7 bb)
    BTN: $40.44 (161.8 bb)
    CO: $22.75 (91 bb)
    Hero (SB): $30.02 (120.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 5 K 2 T
    2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.50

    Flop: ($1.50) 9 4 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.07, BB calls $1.07

    Turn: ($3.64) A (2 players)
    Hero bets $2.59, BB calls $2.59

    River: ($8.82) A (2 players)




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    25PLO Barrelling with flush draw Quote
    04-18-2017 , 10:09 PM
    Fold pre.

    Flop and turn are fine, maybe bet a tad bigger.

    I think a river bet is slightly bad in a vacuum since people are stations. Not really terrible though with no showdown value. From a theory standpoint you bluff this and check some missed draws with pairs in them.
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    04-19-2017 , 12:51 AM
    If you bet the river it's hard to distinguish between your line and 100% betting with any4 and hoping you get folds.

    Assuming we aren't value betting worse than A* on the river, the problem is that we can't bluff everything that has 8+ outs on the flop. Even assuming we only bluff 13+ out draws on the turn, and check all the ones with pairs on the river ... that's still a lot of combos that hit the river with no pair, and a bunch of them are worse than K high (and the Ts esp. is a card we'd prefer BB to have when we bluff).
    If we don't bluff the turn with random Qs*s it gets more manageable, even more so if we are checking some Ts8s no pair type hands.

    But as NM says, we really need to have removed a bunch of the combos pre. flop (bonus: BB won't see us doing this and respond by auto clicking call with almost anything).
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    04-19-2017 , 03:31 AM
    I agree with the fold pre comments - I'm still trying to nail my basic ranges down!

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NMcNasty
    I think a river bet is slightly bad in a vacuum since people are stations.
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by illiterat
    If you bet the river it's hard to distinguish between your line and 100% betting with any4 and hoping you get folds.
    I decided to give up on the river for these two reasons.

    Illiterat - I think I understand but I want to make sure. Are you saying that I'm going to be getting to the river with a fair amount of bluffs of various sorts and if I continue to triple barrel all of them, I'm going to be overbluffing? Therefore should I just pick the lower hands in my range to do this - say Q865ss or JT65ss for example?

    Maybe a better strat would be to check a lot of my range on this runout so I can either give up or induce villain to bluff when I have a value hand?
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    04-19-2017 , 04:03 AM
    Fold pre and don't bet flop
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    04-19-2017 , 06:52 AM
    Pre is spew. As played you just have to bluff the river.
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    04-19-2017 , 01:04 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by spand42
    Are you saying that I'm going to be getting to the river with a fair amount of bluffs of various sorts and if I continue to triple barrel all of them, I'm going to be overbluffing?
    Kind of. On the assumption that you are getting to the river with a very wide bluffing range, and assuming you only valuebet say AJ+ on the river, then I'd assume if you bluff this hand you will be overbluffing.

    If you are controlling your range a lot more than is apparent from this post (Eg. not betting a lot of combos that might be assumed to be in your flop/turn betting range), then it's possible your hand is near the bottom of your range and thus. should be a bluff.

    In general you can't just always bluff all your bad hands, you have to check and/or fold some of them on every street, or your range will be weighted towards bad hands.
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    04-19-2017 , 04:00 PM
    Thanks all. I guess trying to fit my hand in a three-barrel bluff range is quite hard because my range in general is all out of whack here anyway because I'm opening too wide preflop.
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