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25PLO 3way Turn spot w/ NF 25PLO 3way Turn spot w/ NF

11-14-2018 , 08:38 PM
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 130.64 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 15.69, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 52)
SB: 96.48 BB (VPIP: 30.47, PFR: 19.53, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 132)
BB: 459 BB (VPIP: 47.38, PFR: 31.25, 3Bet Preflop: 14.02, Hands: 510)
UTG: 37.36 BB (VPIP: 26.92, PFR: 19.23, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
Hero (MP): 131.84 BB
CO: 355.48 BB (VPIP: 15.22, PFR: 6.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 49)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J A J 2

fold, Hero raises to 3.4 BB, CO calls 3.4 BB, BTN calls 3.4 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (11.6 BB, 3 players) 2 7 Q
Hero checks, CO bets 8.28 BB, BTN calls 8.28 BB, Hero calls 8.28 BB

Turn: (36.44 BB, 3 players) 6
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets 26 BB, Hero ??

So first off, i'm not sure how good of an open this is from MP, it might be a fold with the deuce, 3 spades and 3bet happy blinds.

My main question though is the turn spot. I'm really not sure if it's better to lead the turn, c/c, or c/r on this board. Villains could have a fairly wide assortment of hands in this spot - and it's strange that the flop better and the turn better were different villains.

Thinking about it it looks like it might be more profitable to call here and hope the CO comes along as well. The only thing i'd be concerned about is paired rivers as sets are a likely holding for villain, but if I can get more money in on non pairing boards then it could be the better move. Maybe BTN has something like KQT7 with K high flush and a boat draw?

Shoving i'd expect to get called by such a hand and maybe QQ but I can't imagine too many other hands calling, which is another reason I think it might be better to call, it keeps bluffs and weak flushes and two pairs in the hand. Since i'm OOP here, I think I would have to lead jam any non board pairing river, and maybe check and re-evaluate if the board pairs. So one questions i'm asking myself is would the hands that fold to a turn jam call on the river? Maybe I don't get more value by delaying the bet.

Thoughts?
25PLO 3way Turn spot w/ NF Quote
11-15-2018 , 12:05 AM
pre is close depending on the players gameflow etc. If you solid it's ok to open this on a PLO25 table.
once you hit your spade it's hard to get any value. I'de still go for a c/r maybe c/call instead of a lead. Even though it's not very likely to face a bet.
25PLO 3way Turn spot w/ NF Quote
11-15-2018 , 03:41 AM
clear call at this point. even if CO does have a set you are only giving him a break even call and don't have to pay him off if the board pairs on the river.


jam the river if the board doesn't pair.

fold pre.
25PLO 3way Turn spot w/ NF Quote
11-15-2018 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
clear call at this point. even if CO does have a set you are only giving him a break even call and don't have to pay him off if the board pairs on the river.


jam the river if the board doesn't pair.

fold pre.
Agree with calling turn but then I like a smaller bet on safe rivers, like 40% pot or so. CCing twice and potting river looks way too strong imo.
25PLO 3way Turn spot w/ NF Quote
11-15-2018 , 02:35 PM
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Agree with calling turn but then I like a smaller bet on safe rivers,
Against loose players a nearly pot sized bet is certainly the best play. Here our opponents are all regs, so a smaller sizing should certainly be considered at the very least. It is hard, if not impossible, for hero to find a bluff with this line, even assuming CO folds. Obviously hero is not going to be drawing to a straight after the turn completes the flush, and even if he has a set it doesn't really make sense to bluff with it, as the river changes nothing. It could well be that pricing villain in to a hero call is our best bet for getting paid off.
25PLO 3way Turn spot w/ NF Quote
11-15-2018 , 03:28 PM
I think betting river destroys your river checking range, much prefer just raising turn although board pairing rivers are much more annoying then ... esp. if we are betting small because we are unbalanced.
25PLO 3way Turn spot w/ NF Quote
11-15-2018 , 05:22 PM
Ya like if we're going to check call turn, we should mostly be check calling river. Maybe lead on like T / 9, or something that kills our flush combos and may induce a nitty check behind from the K hi flush. But like check call / donk in this spot pretty much gets called by the K hi flush on this board, and that'll likely bet anyway.
25PLO 3way Turn spot w/ NF Quote
11-16-2018 , 05:41 AM
Reraise trun / and to open that hand pre flop is pretty close , but still depends on how table plays, but definetly , reraise on trun
25PLO 3way Turn spot w/ NF Quote
11-18-2018 , 03:06 PM
Raise turn, nh, wp.
25PLO 3way Turn spot w/ NF Quote

      
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