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Old 02-06-2018, 05:06 PM   #1
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.25 .50 On btn w BTM set, wet board vs lagtard

V is laggy, probably plays 40vpip 20pfr. He won't lay down 2pr type hands but will CR the nuts and even crai bluff river to signs of weekness. V has $37, hero has him covered.

UTG limps, V limps in CO, Hero calls with Qc 10h 10d 9c, sb folds, BB calls.

Pot $2.00.
Flop As Ks 10c

BB, UTG, V1 all check. Hero??

Hero bets $2.00. BB and UTG fold, V calls. Pot $6.00.

Turn 6c (As Ks 10c)
V checks. Hero????

Hero checks. Pot $6.00

River 5d (As Ks 10c 6c)
V checks, hero????

My thoughts are below.

Flop was thin. I felt I likely had the best hand and I'm not worried about a CR because it's easy to lay this down to any pressure. I wanted to get at least one street of value from draws. I also considered I marginally block straights but this wasnt a big factor TBH.

Turn: I'm really on the fence here as V will chase almost anything but I don't want to get blown out by big raise which V is capable of doing with draws or the nuts. I pick up big equity with the FSD which also gives me protection against a combo straight draw in addition to having one blocker. I elect to check behind to use my position to realize equity and keep his range wide.

River: Go for value or check down?
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Old 02-06-2018, 07:34 PM   #2
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Re: .25 .50 On btn w BTM set, wet board vs lagtard

If you check turn you should 100% be going for value OTR.
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Old 02-06-2018, 07:38 PM   #3
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Re: .25 .50 On btn w BTM set, wet board vs lagtard

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If you check turn you should 100% be going for value OTR.
Do you check turn?
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Old 02-06-2018, 08:19 PM   #4
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Re: .25 .50 On btn w BTM set, wet board vs lagtard

Should be raising this hand on btn.

As played,

If you bet the flop, you should be betting T as the FD didn't complete and you pick up a FD.

Since you checked T, you should bet river once checked to you again. Very unlikely you are beat.

The entire hand is full of timid play on your part. This is fine since you don't have a top 3 nut hand multi-way, but once you are HU on the T and R, I feel like you missed out on some betting opportunities, especially with your opponent playing very passive.

Don't blast away on bad flops multi way, but when everyone else is showing no sign of strength, you should feel confident putting some bets in with a set.
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Old 02-06-2018, 09:49 PM   #5
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Re: .25 .50 On btn w BTM set, wet board vs lagtard

Agree we should raise pre. As played, flop bet is standard.

On turn, the argument for checking back is that villain has CR tendencies, but we can discount AA/KK because he didn't raise pre, and if he had QJ, I think he'd be more likely to raise CR the flop. Most likely hand here IMO is 2 pair or a pair with a FD, so I just don't think you'll get CR'd too often in this specific spot. And even if he does, you can call pretty comfortably with the FD/boat outs.

So I'd bet the turn with the intention of calling a C/R and reevaluating on the river (probably fold if he shoves river and you don't fill up or hit the flush).

As played, bet/call river.
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Old 02-07-2018, 01:38 AM   #6
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Re: .25 .50 On btn w BTM set, wet board vs lagtard

raise pre
75% otf, definitely betting, prefer not to bet pot though
mandatory turn continue against described Villain on double fd board

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Old 02-07-2018, 11:04 AM   #7
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Re: .25 .50 On btn w BTM set, wet board vs lagtard

Don`t like raising pre multiple limpers.If you want to get 2 streets of value from draws

you must bet then flop and turn.I would even bet small river.
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Old 02-07-2018, 06:20 PM   #8
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Re: .25 .50 On btn w BTM set, wet board vs lagtard

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Don`t like raising pre multiple limpers.If you want to get 2 streets of value from draws

you must bet then flop and turn.I would even bet small river.
This is where I was pre. I'll open raise CO or BTN with this or raise one MP limper but I felt there werent enough nutted components to warrant a raise in a game with zero preflop fold equity.
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Old 02-08-2018, 10:26 AM   #9
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Re: .25 .50 On btn w BTM set, wet board vs lagtard

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This is where I was pre. I'll open raise CO or BTN with this or raise one MP limper but I felt there werent enough nutted components to warrant a raise in a game with zero preflop fold equity.
Can't be afraid to raise limpers with hands that play pretty well, especially in position.

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Don`t like raising pre multiple limpers.
You should love raising multiple limpers
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Old 02-08-2018, 11:00 AM   #10
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You should love raising multiple limpers
I love to raise limpers,but not with 9ttqss.Why bloat the pot with marginal hand

preflop that is likely to be marginal postflop.
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Old 02-08-2018, 03:41 PM   #11
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Re: .25 .50 On btn w BTM set, wet board vs lagtard

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I love to raise limpers,but not with 9ttqss.Why bloat the pot with marginal hand

preflop that is likely to be marginal postflop.
Every limper you knock out, improves the strength of our hand, you're already a favourite against five purely random hands.

I have no issue with limping and seeing a flop if thats the style of play that you prefer, I just feel that this hand plays better with a raise, on the button, given the lack of action.

Shouldn't be afraid to play post flop in a pot you raised, regardless of the hand structure. This is not a trash hand, and if you consider it marginal, you underestimate not only how this hand can play, but the power of initiative in an unraised pot, with positional advantage.

Side note, this hand has 33 Hutchinson points, so you should be raising it every time!
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Old 02-08-2018, 04:22 PM   #12
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Re: .25 .50 On btn w BTM set, wet board vs lagtard

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Every limper you knock out, improves the strength of our hand, you're already a favourite against five purely random hands.


Side note, this hand has 33 Hutchinson points, so you should be raising it every time!
In games i play knocking out a limper or limpers is mission imposible.

wtf are Hutchinson points?
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Old 02-08-2018, 05:17 PM   #13
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Re: .25 .50 On btn w BTM set, wet board vs lagtard

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In games i play knocking out a limper or limpers is mission imposible.
Fair enough lol.

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wtf are Hutchinson points?
Old school way of determining playable hands for omaha hi and omaha hi lo.

Has some basic applicability, but not the secret to becoming a winning player lol. Below is a link to a post with the basic outline.

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Old 02-14-2018, 02:37 AM   #14
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Re: .25 .50 On btn w BTM set, wet board vs lagtard

Raise pre because you will either 1) narrow down the number of players in the pot or 2) significantly cut down on the SPR ratio, both of which are good outcomes for a hand with a pretty smooth equity distribution like QTT9ss
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:55 AM   #15
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Re: .25 .50 On btn w BTM set, wet board vs lagtard

Flop isn't thin and turn isn't thin. On this runout your hand is worth three streets of value easily.
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Old 02-14-2018, 08:28 AM   #16
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Re: .25 .50 On btn w BTM set, wet board vs lagtard

rei you bet/fold river or bet/call?
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Old 02-14-2018, 01:44 PM   #17
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Re: .25 .50 On btn w BTM set, wet board vs lagtard

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rei you bet/fold river or bet/call?
I bet 1/2 pot, he jammed pot and I picked him off playing a red AK with a non flushed gutter.
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