SB: $624 (312 bb)
BB: $169 (84.5 bb)
UTG: $197 (98.5 bb)
MP: $40 (20 bb)
CO: $846 (423 bb)
Hero (BTN): $293 (146.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 2 J T K A
UTG raises to $7, 2 folds, Hero calls $7, SB folds, BB calls $5

Flop: ($22) J T 8 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $15, BB folds, UTG calls $15

Turn: ($52) T (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($52) 8 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $26, UTG raises to $130, Hero's very confused.

Villain's 33/26 over a small sample ~50 hands. First session I've played with him. He instantaneously raised the river so I'm unsure if he even considered my sizing.

9h7h makes alot of sense in that spot
In my experience 5c plays super nitty in these double paired board spots, i think you can comfortably bet/fold JT there without feeling exploited.

88/97s both make sense. In addition almost all hands have SDV, if villain is not capable of turning Q9 w/o redraw and with 9h into a bluff this is a nice and std b/f

Bet the turn.. river is a weird spot, closer to a call then fold since this is such a great river texture for villain to xr bluff and heros line will have many weaker hands.

A reg is always going to have you beat here. Bet the turn half pot.

I understand every flopped set is ahead and could play this way, and there's 9h7h/Qh9h which could also play this way ... we also block heart draws that might call flop and decide to bluff river ... but I doubt I'm folding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIkBngGQrUU&t=4m55s





But more seriously instead of trying to play guess who with villains hand, what is our betting and calling ranges on the river ... just Qh9h/TT/88 hands? Maybe we sometimes play JJ hands this way? Assuming we bet/fold all J8 hands that get to the river and check worse ... eh. I'd assume we'd need to call some JT hands, but probably not all ... so I guess this is a fold.

If we don't bet J8 though then folding bottom of range is w/e, or if we bet T8 and the nut flush too then I'd assume we need to call. On the other hand if we get here with JJ a bunch it's easier to fold.

you should bet any boat on the river

Echoing others to bet turn, but a check back certainly has its place against certain villains.

I'm tempted to call because villain appears thinking & aggressive & our capped line looks like a thin value hand. But people bluff rivers so rarely & 97hh/JJ/88/TT are all possible, so I probably fold in real time.

I think the turn X make this spot a little wierd
I call and hope that villian really took the bite on my turn X - thinking I will check any boat.

After checking back turn, I dont think you can fold this. Depending on opponent, he will lead some sets, mostly check-call 2 pairs. I would guess he has some river value XRs that you beat, but also some bluff XRs.

I don't think calling or folding river in this spot is going to have a lasting impact on your winrate over time. Your turn decision and river sizing is probably about 100x more important over-all. I'm not saying they are bad, just that they are almost infinitely more important to think about and get down pat in the long run


Probably just yolo-fold though and hope it isn't one of the rare times a villain decides that your range is capped and that he can make you fold almost always

3b pre.

Flop check back.

Turn check is fine/good.

Like, if you're betting this hand, what do you think your check back range looks like?

River size is fine. Call.

I think the hand is too strong to check back, with nfd+nut gs+top2. I think removing either of those three elements make for more reasonable flop check backs. Hell, I think Q9 is a better check back. Other than those mega-god-flops of top set+nut straight+more, this is the top of his range really.... Caveat: I don't play 5c plo.

bet flop bet turn bet river.

Turn checkback is terrible, we got both AKhh so he's never paying of with a flush OTR esp since it's 5c. Just bet turn and get value from straights whatever.
Once you checkback turn and bet halfpot OTR he should be raising here a ton.

Villains opens UTG, doesen't cbet the flop but c/c, so what does he got?
We pretty much block all AA,KK,JJ, combos, Q9h is gonna pot/GGI here so he doesen't have that. I'm guessing some kind of rundown, either KQhxh or like JT98hh ish.

I can't see how we bet/fold OTR , what's the point of checking back the turn then ? Potcontroll because he would have JJ ? We checkback turn to induce villain to spazz out on the river and he does just that and people wanna fold ? If you're villain and doesen't raise on the river with any JT8 blocker after someone checks back turn IP and bets 50% OTR you are a losing player. If villain has JJ/88, great he 1outed us GG WP, but he's going to have AIR, JT,T8,J8 more often. snapcall ffs.

I'd never do this and I'd like to think I'm a winning player. Maybe not though

These 5 card games just play like this. As the very first reply says "(this spot) plays very nitty" and it's because the person IP often has a boat (cuz straights and fds can b/f turn) and is checking back lots of flushes and all straights.

Also, it's incredibly likely that he called flop with a set considering the action and I have the A

You can beat the micros just by playing fit-or-fold, but when you move up to higher stakes you'll get crushed by the regs.

As loctus said, i dont think your winrate matters much if you call or fold here, the real impact is the turn check and small riverbet.

draws can't continue now that the board has paired, but may bluff catch the river if they improve to straight or flush