Game is very loose/splashy, semi-aggressive preflop, often going to showdown postflop. Hero is early 30s WG, playing tight. Obviously we're in commitment territory SPR-wise w/ an overpair on an semi-dry board texture, but does the 6-way dynamic change this? It felt semi-suicidal to GII w/ just one-pair and no useful BD/blockers, but it also felt super dirty/bad to check/give-up. Pretty basic line check, but thanks for any/all feedback.

Hero (CO, $220): A A 9 8

UTG straddles $5, EP c $5, MP c $5, fold x 2, Hero r $25, BTN c $25, SB c $25, fold, UTG c $25, EP/MP c $25

Flop ($145): J 5 2

Check x 4, Hero b $145

We have about 11% equity against some random ranges (pre-flop ones not specific hands) I assigned although not sure how useful that is to know since it won't be going 6 way if we bet and fold out equity. Two pair or better is prob going to show up at least 20% of the time i would guess and FD + pair or wrap will be out there very often.

I think with SPR 1 it's probably fine but looks like here you have a little more. b/c $45 against one and b/f vs more action is an option here too.

Interesting analysis. Thanks. If we're actually capable of B/F after investing 75-80% of our stack @ 1.5 SPR vs two all-in ranges, shouldn't we just consider sizing down, or not betting at all, since we aren't pricing out the big draws w/ a PSB anyhow?

How are we investing 75-80% if we bet $45? I was under the impression you had at least 100bb as you didn't mention otherwise and flop wasn't AI. So that's only investing about 1/3.

OIC. Misread your response. Thought you were saying b/f after making a PSB. B/F $45 makes more sense. But don't we allow ourselves get XR off our equity vs combo draws/wraps, etc? Maybe this isn't a concern 4 way + ?

All combo draws/wraps that want to raise 6 way have v good equity vs our hand - it's not like a bare wrap is comfortable GII 6 way unless last to act. Anyway I said fold vs 2 or more that want to GII, not against 1.

I don`t think wrap, or to be precise inside straight draw would be here very often,if at all,but still with this many players I don`t mind c/folding here depending on action.With at least bdfd,or blocking a J would be more optimistic.

Well, given the SPR, I still don't think potting/committing on the flop was the worst, but as Pura mentions, 6-ways having some backdoors and/or blockers is probably advisable.

I really think F_I's 1/3 PS bet/evaluate plan is a good one. I'm assuming if called, we're jamming brick turns, and checking/folding on completing cards?

Here is the minor spoiler:

i just noticed you didn't pot raise pre... you should def be potting here. We clearly don't mind mw action but we want to charge the max - and getting rid of a few hands would still be preferable.

Not convinced on my initial line of betting small. I think 6 way might just be too spewy and think it's more likely that we actually run into 2 pair or better than I initially thought. I think it's better than potting maybe, but also think just check/giving up could be best.

Yeah I did misclick a bit & think I could've raised to $30 max (4+5+5+5+5), which I suppose changes the stack off equation. I still think I'm getting called @ the same frequency, but even having an extra $30 in pre is gonna make stacking off mathematically better, certainly.

Thanks for clarification. I'll learn towards a future check w/ bare AA in family pots if we're over 1 SPR. Probably best to just minimize our loss.

Theoretically checking this seems bad unless you're giving up because the pot is big relative to stacks but checking and "playing poker" might have some merit.

If button bets and everyone folds you should XRAI unless button is absurdly straightforward.
If button bets and everyone calls you have an easy fold.
If button bets and gets one other call you're in judgment territory but probably XRAI. Equity against ranges is probably good.

The turn card can be either obviously bad, obviously awesome (the ace of hearts), or pretty good but might have made someone two pair or trips. Still, you'll have the same four players to act. If they bet probably fold based on reads and the specific card. If they check to you on a safe turn, hmmm.... pot and always get called by 2 pair? Check back and pray for a safe board pair?

The downside is bottom or middle pair could make trips or two pair and never give up. At least you have some equity against two pair. Naked flush and straight draws are now making a big mistake to call you. Often you'll get stacked this way but sometimes you'd have gotten stacked by betting, and at least this way you have more info.

What I just wrote feels theoretically wrong but makes up for it in creativity.

Flop is a clear bet/call imo. I think we can consider a sizing small enough that we can fold on horrible turns - maybe $75-100. Assuming opponents almost never fold the turn after calling flop.

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Clearly you must mean we can fold if we don't get called and the turn is horrible since bet/calling the flop and folding for $50 or less is obviously bizarre.

I dunno, more I think about it, more it's just a yucky spot for AA with no secondary equity (except running offsuit 7-6, duh) and just OK to put in 10% of stack pre and give up. Check-fold unless an ace shows up or the board pairs deuces or fives and it's checked to you.

It's more interesting to tweak the flop and consider how we'd play:

J52 (BDFD)


J52 (two BDFD, no one has a regular FD)


J22 (paired low card)

If hero cbets 75 he has 120 behind


Hero can also make a j hi or q hi straight

Given your position, betting and checking are both reasonable. Checking is better if the table routinely checks to the raiser here and betting is better if players usually donk bet to charge draws. If you were in the SB, check/fold is probably the best play.

Given the likely awkward multiway spr, I would have considered going for a limp-reraise preflop and not been sad if no one raised.

This is pretty much exactly how I felt before reading how people had responded so far.

This flop just isn't your flop, and with this many players coming along, it's bound to be someone else's flop.

You bet while you were ahead preflop. Good.

But don't throw money at this board when you only have one pair and no draws to speak of. Against five random hands, you're actually in bad shape:

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: J52

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
Ad8dAc9c	9.92%	57,134	4,813
*	17.98%	103,359	9,195
*	17.91%	102,974	9,137
*	18.05%	103,782	9,221
*	18.16%	104,421	9,261
*	17.99%	103,418	9,212

You wouldn't do this with bare QQ or KK, right? You're pretty much in the same spot here. Heck, I'd almost prefer to have QQ27r on this flop. (I mean, almost. Aces are nice.)