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07-17-2018 , 05:37 PM

He I Se N Be Rg

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$0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BB: $136.47 (136.5 bb)
Hero (SB): $201.02 (201 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4

Hero raises to $2.97, BB raises to $8.91, Hero calls $5.94

Flop: ($17.82) 4

(2 players)
BB bets $8.48, Hero calls $8.48

Turn: ($34.78) 9

(2 players)
BB bets $25.33, Hero calls $25.33

River: ($85.44) 3

(2 players)
BB bets $84.44, Hero calls $84.44

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I didn't see many showdowns so couldn't deduce much about villain.
How should I construct my call range on river?
I have a hypothesis J/T high flushes + made hands with A

are better calls than K/Q high flushes. Does that seem logical?

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07-18-2018 , 12:45 AM

F_Ivanovic

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K high flush is def better than a T high flush because your opponent can be v-betting K high flush if you don't have it.

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07-19-2018 , 05:33 PM

He I Se N Be Rg

centurion

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Thank you Ivanovic.

I went through the trouble of running this in a solver and it turns out T9cc is a 100% call on river. K high flush had a higher call EV than T high flush. So you're correct on that front.

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07-20-2018 , 04:21 AM

Jeff W

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Originally Posted by He I Se N Be Rg

How should I construct my call range on river?
I have a hypothesis J/T high flushes + made hands with A

are better calls than K/Q high flushes. Does that seem logical?

Since you ran this through solver, my guess is that Ac bluff catchers are worse than any flush because removing Ac cuts down on his bluffing range. All flushes are certainly calls on river. Also, flush value should be linear in relation to the high card with possible deviation of 3-4 club hands.

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07-20-2018 , 12:48 PM

Adebisi

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Originally Posted by He I Se N Be Rg

Intuitively this seems really odd. I feel like if this is 100% river call here, the solver must be floating the turn barrel pretty light. As a practical matter, I think both players ranges for getting to the river like this are too strong for this hand to be a call.

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07-20-2018 , 01:00 PM

Grethe

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^this

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07-20-2018 , 01:08 PM

z0mgtiltz

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It's HU, it snaps off 4flush river with most flushes?

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07-22-2018 , 04:39 AM

gay_on_tse

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^this

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07-23-2018 , 07:36 PM

Adebisi

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Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz

It's HU, it snaps off 4flush river with most flushes?

Not a solver guy, but I think this is a special case because bb's cbet frequency on the 654 texture is likely going to be a fair bit lower than the average frequency for mono flops. Plus half of your 10-high flush combos also contain nut blockers.

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07-23-2018 , 09:47 PM

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flyingnite

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I must be doing something incorrect.

We have a MDF of 67%, 60% and 50% on each street = 20% of our preflop range.

Which means we need to call ALL of our flushes here plus a ton of straights (all the 8 highs, most of the 7 highs), and even then, we still need to find more hands to call with.

(Time to buy a solver I guess).

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07-24-2018 , 01:18 PM

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MIB211

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I hate to be that guy, but isn’t this a fold pre?

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07-24-2018 , 02:03 PM

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z0mgtiltz

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You must not play much HU

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07-24-2018 , 08:08 PM

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kisada

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you mean open fold? definitely an open OTB.

but if you mean raising then folding to the 3b. definitely don't know what's standard, in case any HU experts wanna chime in.

i'm not good enough HU to call in most circumstances, unless villain gives me reason otherwise.

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07-25-2018 , 07:21 PM

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F_Ivanovic

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we have position and > 100bb deep - you shouldn't be folding almost any hand you open with - maybe 5% at most. Stuff like J552r is a fold, not this hand.

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07-26-2018 , 11:40 AM

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MIB211

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Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz

You must not play much HU

correct, missed this was HU (despite the title of the thread),

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