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Old 03-04-2019, 01:11 PM   #1
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$1/$3 Spot, $200-$1000 Max

Hero is in the BB with AA35 with a stack of $1000. Villains in this hand are very loose and love to play big pots:

V1: Young Asian Guy with $1200. Raises 80% of hands always to $15 in order to boost the pot. Never folds to 3! pre and will call off with any pair and 3 unpaired cards on the flop if he reads an aggressor for an overpair.

V2: OTB with $430. Asian rec player, not too aggressive but likes to chase weak draws. Played with him a good amount and he seems to run very well against me for some reason.

OTTH

V1 raises to $15 and gets 3 callers including V2. SB folds and Hero pots to $90. Anyone just flat here OOP and deep versus V1? Both V1 and V2 call the $90 and everyone else folds.

Flop ($300 after max rake)

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Hero flops an overpair, open ended and backdoor NFD. SPR with V1 is ~3 and ~1.2 with V2.

What is your play?

Thanks,

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Old 03-05-2019, 03:32 AM   #2
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Re: $1/$3 Spot, $200-$1000 Max

with an over, open ended straight draw and backdoor clubs vs a V who stacks off with basically any 6, any 4, we have to get more money in especially with the V2 basically being dead money with his stack size

when you say 'stacks off with any pair and 3 unpaired cards on the flop' do you mean any pair and 3 random cards in his hand or on a non-paired flop ?

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Old 03-05-2019, 02:03 PM   #3
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Re: $1/$3 Spot, $200-$1000 Max

Easy check. preflop 3bet is great, though if you have any discomfort playing multi-way in bloated pots OOP I think flatting is admissible. Straight up EV 3betting is clearly the best play, but taking a technically higher EV line if you will end up playing in a way that's less EV would be pointless.
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Old 03-05-2019, 02:38 PM   #4
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Re: $1/$3 Spot, $200-$1000 Max

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with an over, open ended straight draw and backdoor clubs vs a V who stacks off with basically any 6, any 4, we have to get more money in especially with the V2 basically being dead money with his stack size

when you say 'stacks off with any pair and 3 unpaired cards on the flop' do you mean any pair and 3 random cards in his hand or on a non-paired flop ?
Any pair and 3 unpaired cards on a non-paired flop is what I meant. Basically, with what he thinks are 9 clean outs to 2 pair vs an overpair.
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Old 03-05-2019, 03:24 PM   #5
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Any pair and 3 unpaired cards on a non-paired flop is what I meant. Basically, with what he thinks are 9 clean outs to 2 pair vs an overpair.
ah right ok. i think we have to get more money in the pot but i'm not sure on check calling or just betting yourself - what do we do if we get action? do we have to assume a 6?

maybe check calling to induce some bluffs would be the most EV line
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Old 03-13-2019, 12:22 PM   #6
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Re: $1/$3 Spot, $200-$1000 Max

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Easy check. preflop 3bet is great, though if you have any discomfort playing multi-way in bloated pots OOP I think flatting is admissible. Straight up EV 3betting is clearly the best play, but taking a technically higher EV line if you will end up playing in a way that's less EV would be pointless.
So do you check/fold this if V1 pots and V2 calls (which I am assuming would have happened)? Or do you call with as many as 10 and as few as 2 outs?
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Old 03-13-2019, 06:39 PM   #7
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Re: $1/$3 Spot, $200-$1000 Max

Don't fold.
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Old 03-13-2019, 11:44 PM   #8
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Don't fold.
Yeh, that.


Pre. is good as long as we don't always have AA/KK.

I'd usually bet $100 on the flop, esp. because we have the perfect position on V1 where if he calls V2 can reopen the betting. Checking just gives V1 free chances to hit draws (flush draws and any 235789). The only exception is if V1 is super likely to bluff any4 if checked to.

If you do check then you can't fold, even if it goes pot/pot ... unless you have godlike reads that one of them only does that with a 6 or 44.
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Old 03-16-2019, 10:04 AM   #9
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Re: $1/$3 Spot, $200-$1000 Max

PF: 3B or Flat. Due to your side cards I lean towards flatting in this case.

Flop: Meh, I hate this flop because it's not great for your hand and V's will play like it doesn't hit your range. Being OOP you open to getting raised, squeezed, or having to fold (ex, U C, V1 bets, V2 raises.

In a full ring game I would flat PF and just check to see what happens. C/C if V1 checks and V2 bets less than pot. C/F if V1 bets, V2 raises.

Unless I know otherwise any 3B/4B from blinds at these stakes is almost always AAxx.
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Old 03-17-2019, 08:23 PM   #10
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Re: $1/$3 Spot, $200-$1000 Max

Flop is great position to bet between $120-$180. V1 will be in a tough spot and will overfold versus a HU situation, because they will have to worry about V2 jamming, allowing you to re-jam. Additionally, if V1 jams himself, you can easily get away cheaply. If V1 folds and V2 jams, you should call.
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