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1/3 PLO, bottom set on flop. 1/3 PLO, bottom set on flop.

07-06-2019 , 12:11 AM
I bought in for the minimum and my short stack has an effect. I start with $95. I have KK33. I am in third position, two limps in front. I limp. Is that bad. I have maybe above average kings, but they don't play as well as with connected cards. If it gets raised, I can flat and often gii on the flop or 3-bet. I prefer that with often having a limped pot, to raising it in ep to a relatively small amount and getting a bunch of callers.

Anyway, all 8 players go to the flop, which is 843. 4 checks to me and I pot it for $24 and get 4 callers. Turn is 7. 2 checks to me. I assume I need to c/f. Someone has to have the flush. My outs may not be good if I am against a 2-pair hand. I could hope it gets checked around and I fill up. I could push the rest in and hope to occasionally take it or be good and sometimes hit my redraws against a flush.

It is weird playing against loose passive players with 4 cards, as someone is likely to hit whatever board.
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07-06-2019 , 05:06 PM
Pre your thinking seems OK.

I guess my best advice for post is to ask yourself several questions & see if you can answer them on your own.

What are the chances you're ahead on this turn card vs 4 opponents? With that answered, do you know the odds of hitting a full house? With that answered, would you be getting odds to check/call all in? With that answered, what are the chances you're not already drawing dead against a better set?

Lots for you to consider/ponder & brush up on.
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07-06-2019 , 05:23 PM
I am not sure why you need to say "brush up on". I am new to live PLO, but not poker. Of course I know exactly the odds of hitting a full house and the pot odds I am getting. I have 10 outs to a full house out of 44 cards.

It is pretty unlikely I am against a higher set as no one bet or raised the flop.The problem is not a higher set with a full house, but 2-pair can make a higher full house.

I actually, threw in the rest of my stack on the turn and got 2 callers. The river was a blank, the first caller bet and the second caller folded. The other player showed the nut flush.

I was OK with my preflop and flop play, but thought the turn play might have been spewy. I wasn't sure if I was overplaying my hand with so many players calling preflop and on the flop and 4 cards.
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07-06-2019 , 05:40 PM
"Might have been spewy"? It definitely was, and you shouldn't be nonchalant about it.

You might be insulted that I suggest you brush up on fundamentals, but I'm sorry, this turn decision is sort of obvious & why I posted those questions to you. You should be able to work through basic spots like this on your own if you have experience -- otherwise accept & fully digest the feedback being given to you. It feels a bit like you're suffering some sort of entitlement tilt if I'm going to be honest. Your set got drawn out on this turn card 100% -- check & pray for showdown (or fold to action behind you). Pretty simple.
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07-06-2019 , 07:35 PM
Definitely should be raising pre with KK33ss mp even after limps. Good rule of thumb is with each limper go back one spot and ask is this in my open range - KK33ss is in utg1 open range.

Flop: I personally prefer a check here even with bdfd and a high spade. If you're hu or 3 way betting is great but with a full table don't think hand is strong enough. You don't block top or middle set, straight draws or A hi flush which is a big difference between blocking K hi. Definitely don't hate betting w/ high spade and bdfd but think checking is more profitable. Turn on this texture can change board very easily. I'd peel and realize cheaply. If you get x/raised you're not happy to get in bottom set w/ poor blockers at spr 4 as well.

Turn clear x/fold w/ this many players in. Even hu this is a clear check. You don't block enough and want to try to see a free river to realize equity. Plenty of higher sets and obviously flushes already made. Betting here would be punting and getting creative for creative sake.
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07-10-2019 , 03:44 PM
You have a nice hand, I would raise preflop.

Even with K I don't like turn shove with this many players. Are you attempting to semi bluff/fold out a flush here, or fold out a straight?

Just take a free card, hit and then value bet.
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07-21-2019 , 08:29 AM
Bottom set on the flop is not good in this game. You're going to be buying in multiple times playing the way you do.
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07-21-2019 , 01:56 PM
Pre's whatever.
Jamming turn is terrible. There's always a flush out there when nobody raises flop.
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07-25-2019 , 08:18 PM
Im just c/r this on the flop vs so many players. We dont really benefit from alot of turns and have a somewhat decent equity vs loosish ranges. Obv we are mostly flipping on the flop and sometimes behind but given 2 extra K outs vs sets and generating dead money from c/r'ing the flop i doubt this is a losing play given your stack size and spr.(feel free to prove me wrong, i didnt do the math)
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07-28-2019 , 12:54 PM
POT pre.
POT flop. At this point you're either all in or almost all in. Turn shove your last $10 if that's what it comes to. p
PLO favors aggression.
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07-29-2019 , 02:25 PM
Don't play with a min buy-in, it will handicap your game noticeably.
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