I'm fairly new to plo so there may be alot of mistakes i'm making. I've been trying different non-standard lines to see how they feel.

I recently moved to a different table so no real reads.

9 handed
2 limps to the button, he raises to 20 (1.5k stack)
I call from the sb with 4578, 4h5h. (i have the table covered)
bb flats (~800)
one of the limpers calls

flop = 10c 9c 6h
checks to button who bets 35 into 80.
I call.
bb pots to 220 (~480 left after this bet)
button folds
I call.

turn = 8c (i have the 7c if anyone thinks it's relevant)
i check, sb checks

river = blank
i bet 350 into a pot of ~550

questions:
1. am I too loose pre-flop oop?
2. is my flop line/thought process way too fancy?

Is everyone 100% jamming here? At the time, I was thinking that he likely has a combo draw (2p + fd, sd + fd or straight) and I could possibly get him to barrel off on the turn when he misses if he's drawing. Or, in the event that a draw gets there and he checks, I can try to bet him off a possible chop.

3. am I overbluffing if I bet the river w/o any blockers?

thanks for the help

Post-flop I think you made the wrong decision at literally ever point in this hand.

Why don’t you just ship the flop? It’s a ship or a fold imo and I’m never folding the nuts to a squeeze.


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Pre is whatever. In a vaccuum it's probably more +EV (less -EV..) to fold but I ain't blaming nobody for playing that to a single raise live.

Flop is annoying, can't tell you what to do. I might fold to the squeeze (OH FOLDING THE NUTS, THE BLASPHEMY). As played check it down, you don't have to bluff him off a chop. No you won't get owned in the long run doing that, you have a bunch of flush hands in your range. Or at least you should.

since you check called the flop, if villain is a thinking player he might perceive your turn check as an attempt to induce a x/r, or as slowplayed flush. the fact that you called twice on the flop also makes your hand look like it was drawing to the flush

then on the river your sizing also looks like you are trying to get value out of a slow played flush

i am wondering how this hand turned out, did villain fold?

as far as your questions:

i dont really know what the latest ideas are about playing from the blinds in a full ring setting. I wouldn't not have played this hand in a 6Mx table unless the hand was double suited and the action folded to me, or I felt that the btn/bb were especially lose. i imagine live PLO players are opening wider than online, which justifies wider calls from the blinds

on th flop your hand def needs protection, but since this is a multiway flop calling has merit i think

like loctus said, in this scenario you are going to have plenty of flushes. as you probably know hands with Ac/Kc are always going to be the best candidates to rep flushes. your 7c is relevant though, everything counts

I would lead the flop 100% and fold if the BB still raised me.

As played I think it is jam/fold on the flop. Even though BB includes some hands we are ahead of I'd lean toward a fold as I just don't want to commit my stack here to win $185.

You really have a sucker hand to call here.. Any 6,7,8,9,T,J,Q,K, or club puts a better hand out there.

If you intend to bluff it should be on the turn, but since you don't have a FPSB to back it up on the river I think it is too easy to call a turn bet with small clubs

I think after checking through the turn, you have no credibility to bluff the river. Would anyone really fold small clubs here?

He ended up hero calling me with the QJ straight/with no club blockers. He had a much weaker hand than I anticipated based on his flop raise. He claimed he would've insta-folded if I potted the river.

In the end, I think i don't mind the occasional call post-flop with the goal of getting someone to semi-bluff alot lighter. I regret not potting when the action came back to me on the flop.

I find that really hard to believe, unless he has a huge bet sizing tell on you ... but given he raised flop with bare QJ it's much more likely he would call anything. ... so you can feel good you saved $200 ?

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So you are actually suggesting jamming turn? I mean he got the turn play right and I think bluffing river is fine (although i def. just jam given it's less than pot)

But yeah, pre is a big mistake and why you got into this mess in the first place - you flopped the nuts but aren't happy putting it all in since you have no redraws and lots of hands are flipping + a few will have you in bad shape (78 + redraw)

I think it is better than betting the river. You lose credibility for having the nut flush when you check the turn.

Make potting the river part of your game so you can do that instead of 2/3 pot.

idk i think your best chance to blow the guy off the hand is to bet one-third pot on both turn and river.. but i would have given up on the flop.