1/2 PLO at the Rio

Just got to this table, this is my first orbit so no reads to speak of.

I have about 355, relevant stacks have me covered.

I pick up AKJT UTG+1 and make it 15. 4 callers behind and one of the blinds call. 6 ways to the flop.

Flop (90) Q96

blind checks, I bet 90, player to my left calls, one fold, next player raises the pot. It folds to me, and since the pot sized raise puts me all in, the pot is basically 360 plus what I have behind, which is about 250. So the pot is 610 and its my last 250 call. My biggest concern here is that I don't have hearts and with the 3rd player in the pot I could easily be up against top set from the re-potter and the nut flush draw from the other player. However, with the stack being so short I feel like I should just stick it in here.

Thoughts appreciated.

With a 13-out wrap you have 39% vs a set and 30% vs a pair+flushdraw HU (it can easily be memorised and confirmed by propokertools.com; a set redraws 25% of the time, so you should subtract 1/4 of your equity that would otherwise be 52%=4%*13, the same holds for a flushdraw - 22% redraw, plus it takes 4 of your heart outs). If they both call you're not so crushed.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: Q92

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AcKsJdTs	22.96%	123,243	29,064
(QQ,99,22):30%	47.86%	285,935	2,552
((Ahh,JT8,KJT): (Q,9,2)):30%	29.18%	161,683	26,926

So call.

Check flop

**** pwned the thread. Getting ~2.5:1 on the call+****'s stove you can gogogo. Also, never forget, flippings fun!

Do not bet.

once you bet the flop you are committing to the hand. if you don't want to get it in here, don't bet the flop.

Does the Rio PLO play like the Aria or Venetian? If so, I think their ranges are a lot wider than that. It's probably fine to just shove.

I know you said no reads -- do any of the aggressors have a foreign accent? If so, that would be a strong factor in favor of getting it in here. Call me a xenophobe but i'm not kidding; info is info.

check/call flop 6 ways and fold to a big bet and a raise.

Sorry for pwning the thread, this only indicates that words defy me. You obv can't PPT in live games, so as a rule of thumb just remember that they have 17 redraws (10 pairing cards and 7 non-pairing hearts) but may be holding each other's outs, so multiply your number of outs by 2.5% (~3/5 of the std 4% due to the redraw account) to get a rough estimate of your real equity.

I guess it doesn't drop significantly 6-way compared to 3-way because you mainly fear sets and FDs and they may block each other's outs 6-way, you may be pwning someone w/JT8, thus you're committed even if you decide to c/c (I'm not sure if the flop can go checked round 6-way).

Once you're committed before any betting already (SPR<4 6-way in a loose game is pretty small - any bet and a couple of calls commit you), potting out is good for meta**** as your top sets will get paid afterwards.

never lead this hand mw, seriously---

I don't get what exactly you're questioning about, CZI, but I'm not pretending to excel or copy Mt.Fishnoob. I just like the way he beeped the word 'game' in atavistic's rundown wisdom thread. Is this usage copyrighted by him? I admit though that I have passion for MFN's wisdom, like this:

Mount Fishnoob is known on here as Mister Metagame, because he is the only poker player who has fully mastered the concept.

The concept being, "If you need additional reasons to justify your play, just say Metagame."

well played

I'm the 2nd, independently from MFN iirc. I know that sux.

Edit: not the 2nd and even not the 1000th, e.g. Andrey Pateychuk, whose example I like to give, explained his epic flop 3bet with no outs at EPT San Remo by the fact he had a read on the Bulgarian.

I don't have any experience of live poker, but as I've heard and read (e.g. HoH3) it's good to have a loose-aggro image when you're in fact tight-aggro and all the other are loose-passive. So I guess it's good to bet draws that bad players consider rags and act like a casual gambler during that.