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1/2 live PLO too thin? 1/2 live PLO too thin?

04-09-2019 , 07:20 AM
Again nlhe game w/ 2 orbits of PLO in 5 hours.

Villain 1 co - this guy is pretty aggressive with position and or a made hand. He doesn't like folding draws. Lots of history between us, but overall he's just pretty laggy.

Villain 2 sb - clueless at PLO. It's his 2nd time playing it and 5 hands ago he folded the "nut flush draw" face up on a monotone flop after board paired turn. The issue is he only had the Ah with no other heart. So the dealer had to remind everyone that in plo you have to use 2 cards.

Sb $60ish
Hero $200
Co covers

Pre, one limper co to $10, hero calls with AJT7, one other caller

Flop 4 ways $40 - AJ3
Checks to hero who bets $40, sb and co call

Turn 3 ways $160 - 5
C, c, hero $125 ($25 behind)

Ok so I know turn looks odd. Co loves to chase but doesn't think too much about remaining stacks. So i really feel he's likely to call his draws here without paying attention to the fact I have very little behind. He'll just see that I do have chips behind. But if I shove I felt like he might make a correct fold with his draws.

Besides the odd bet sizing leaving $25 behind, is this too thin on the turn?
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04-09-2019 , 11:07 AM
Just put it all in on the turn.
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04-09-2019 , 09:21 PM
is it too thin? if your scared of villian having wheel then check. If you confident he is drawing bet the pot. Villians equity is most likely anywhere from 25%-35% depending. Are you asking if you should be checking turn? Like what are you talking bout too thin? Do you think your valuing betting thin on the turn like your villian is going to have A3? Dude put the money in the pot and hope he bricks .
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04-10-2019 , 06:45 AM
Yes is turn value bet too thin. I leveled myself into not shoving, but is shoving for value too thin here?
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04-11-2019 , 03:27 AM
Why are you not 3betting preflop? What are you waiting for if you're not 3betting this?

I'd probably check flop as played. Pot is okay too though.

Turn just jam. You want to fold out draws; they have odds against you. Just charge them the max. Of course it's not too thin.
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04-11-2019 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by El Barbero
Again nlhe game w/ 2 orbits of PLO in 5 hours.

Villain 1 co - this guy is pretty aggressive with position and or a made hand. He doesn't like folding draws. Lots of history between us, but overall he's just pretty laggy.

Villain 2 sb - clueless at PLO. It's his 2nd time playing it and 5 hands ago he folded the "nut flush draw" face up on a monotone flop after board paired turn. The issue is he only had the Ah with no other heart. So the dealer had to remind everyone that in plo you have to use 2 cards.

Sb $60ish
Hero $200
Co covers

Pre, one limper co to $10, hero calls with AJT7, one other caller

Flop 4 ways $40 - AJ3
Checks to hero who bets $40, sb and co call

Turn 3 ways $160 - 5
C, c, hero $125 ($25 behind)

Ok so I know turn looks odd. Co loves to chase but doesn't think too much about remaining stacks. So i really feel he's likely to call his draws here without paying attention to the fact I have very little behind. He'll just see that I do have chips behind. But if I shove I felt like he might make a correct fold with his draws.

Besides the odd bet sizing leaving $25 behind, is this too thin on the turn?
Three bet pre. This is a good hand and your double suitedness will be more powerful HU (since your diamonds are only to the Ten)

Any reason why we aren't jamming turn? Like what is this "leave $25 behind"? If you get xr all in you're priced to see it anyway. This bet makes no sense. Vil is going to show up with some sort of KQ/KT/QT w/ diamonds or A5 hand far more than a 42.
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04-13-2019 , 09:07 AM
Thanks everyone. I leveled myself into the turn bet sizing. Lots of history with this specific villian and made a dumb bet.

It actually made river awkward as he called river bricked and he checks to me. I had no clue what value I could get given his range is so draw heavy so I checked back and scooped the pot.
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04-13-2019 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by El Barbero
Thanks everyone. I leveled myself into the turn bet sizing. Lots of history with this specific villian and made a dumb bet.



It actually made river awkward as he called river bricked and he checks to me. I had no clue what value I could get given his range is so draw heavy so I checked back and scooped the pot.

Yeah lesson learned. That’s $25 you should have.


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04-21-2019 , 10:45 PM
Lesson learned indeed! That’s $125 more you got him to hero Ax with you specifically roped in with bet sizing psychology. Bet $25 on river tho.
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04-24-2019 , 10:09 AM
Overthinking, which is not a good thing in Omaha (slowplaying in multiway pots, etc.) Just stick it in. Preflop your hand is good enough to raise (I'm assuming you're on the button). Would you have raised AJT9? This isn't far off, with the gap at the bottom (This is a better hand than AJ87).
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04-24-2019 , 07:31 PM
Three betting preflop is ill advised. There is no need to potentially isolate ourselves against a strong hand. We're making a lot more money from people overcalling the raise or limp calling with mediocre hands than we are going heads up against the preflop raiser. Our hand has plenty of nut potential and playability, and favours multiway situations especailly against very weak hands and opponents who are liable to make massive post flop errors.
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04-25-2019 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Rin-Inky
Why are you not 3betting preflop? What are you waiting for if you're not 3betting this?
In a tough lineup this is a clear 3b, but in this 1-2 spewfest I think we keep the SPR high, flop big equity and GII.
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