9 handed, 10 straddle on button

In general this game goes to the flop multi-way most of the time, raises only tend to bloat the pot as I've seen many 10 straddles end up with 5-6 people seeing a 60 raise preflop just to get to the flop.

Sb raises to 25 (seen this player do this like 80% of the time a straddle is on so doesn't tell me anything)
Bb folds
I'm UTG with AA55ss and approx. 1k to start the hand.

I'm new to PLO, don't believe that single suited aces are that great, and even if I did I don't think I can raise enough to isolate preflop. I decide to come along with a simple call of 25.

UTG+1 calls

MP, same stack size as me, raises to 125. In this game, I get the impression that he's above average with a tendancy to be a bit nitty

CO with 600ish calls. He's more apt to gamble with any 2/4 cards. How skilled is he? Average (btw obviously I'm putting myself in the bad/unskilled grouping)

Button, with 2500-3k and best player at the table also calls and it's back to me...

Now I'm thinking that if I just call, it'll be 4-5 to the flop and since aces don't play great against that many players calling is basically setting money on fire. There is however now enough money in the pot that I can pot to around 700-800 and that should be enough to isolate down to 1 player. I could also, out of position as I am, just fold and watch whatever happens.

I go with option 2 and reraise to 800.<-- stupid? I really don't know which is why I'm here.

UTG+1 folds, MP calls, CO calls for less, and Button calls. Pot size is around 2900, I have 227 behind at this point and we're off to the flop...

I don't think it matters at this point how the hand ended up, with my pot-to-stack size I'm putting the rest of my stack in on the flop and everyone else should be forced to call that relatively minimal amount.

Anyways, how badly did I screw this up? For what it's worth, I did this same 'strategy' twice over the course of 2 weeks, limp call and later jam/pot with single suited aces because I was convinced my analysis of the situation was correct for both the limp and the later pot/all-in move.

You got 90% of your stack in pre with decent AA. Stick your 10% pot left in on any flop and sorry that somebody got there with Q962r on you. How is getting all of your money in pre with AA against fairly wide ranges ever a bad thing??

That I guess is my question, was potttong pre the correct or correct-ish move there? Was my thinking that I could get some of the other people to fold correct? And yeah once 800 was in I didn’t even think twice about the rest of my stack. If I knew that an 800 raise would still bring along everyone then maybe I should have flatted. And I got run down by 108x2ss not Q962 sir ¨̮

You're new to Omaha, so welcome to the madness.

On a long term average, the group of hands that make you the money are aces. They basically are the hands where your profit comes from.


I think Slotboom had a good quote on that that I cant piece together right now, or maybe it was in slowhabits book.

Fact of the matter is, the only hand that is a favourite against another hand preflop in omaha is aces. Everything else is defined by that. The reason people prefer mid-rundowns over let's say queens is because of the power of aces. Because that's the hands people play, and that's what you want to beat.

Anyway, in this spot, we have them our selves! Happy days!

We try to get as much money in pre as possible, it doesn't matter if they are only single suited, it doesn't matter if the by cards are two fives (in fact, that's not the worst. I'd take that over a 2 and 8 or 6 and 9 for example.)



I'm not a friend of the limp call in general, because that gets too many people in the pot. I'd rather raise / 4bet, especially given the stack sized.

Other than that. getting money in with aces is always good.

If you'd offer me do a flip and i get to have aces with random by cards, i'd bite your hand off!

once it goes call call and there's loads of money in the pot i wouldn't bother slow playing. it will be obvious you have AA but i do exactly like you did and jam any flop. getting all/most the money in pre with AAxx is always good. long term you're printing money against the total donk who stacked you with his 2 dangler.

It seems you think you need to get people to fold for shoving to be profitable. This is not the case. You're making money even if nobody folds.

Maybe it’s my hold em background but yeah I am thinking I want to be heads up with aces rather than against a horde of savages. Remember I’m happily saying I don’t know anything about PLO.

Omaha Hi Simulation ?
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Equity Wins Ties
AA 65.62% 391,777 3,914
100% 34.38% 204,309 3,914

65 * 2 = 131

Omaha Hi Simulation ?
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Equity Wins Ties
AA 46.55% 276,625 5,428
100% 26.75% 156,688 7,682
100% 26.69% 156,364 7,628

46.55 * 3 = 139


So it appears we do prefer three-way action in PLO but only slightly. The phenomenon is actually significantly more pronounced in NLHE.