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04-21-2019 , 12:29 PM
Biggest pot I’ve played last night just want some thoughts on the hand

500 effective
Few limpers CO bumps it up to 35 hero on the BTN with A♣ A♥ 3♥ 4♦ 3bets to 125 co calls

Flop (250) T♣ 2♣ 2♠
Co x hero cbets to 125 and co shoves

I’m completely new to PLO and have no idea what I’m doing. My main questions are since 1 pair hands aren’t usually good at the river in PLO is this one of the aces combos where we can just take a flop and go from there and when villain shoves what is our general plan with our entire range here? I’m blocking flush draws how important is that in this situation
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04-21-2019 , 06:56 PM
Its tough since you have the ace of clubs but you gotta believe they are either jamming with AAxx, KKxx, QQxx with club draw etc at this level. TTxx is out of the question imo as Id assume theyd play this slow. Even A2xx should be playing slower. With you have 3 and 4 in your hand, 2345 preflop combo makes its less likely. As played I feel like calling is pretty straight forward, unless the person who shoved is an OMC.
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04-22-2019 , 08:08 PM
SPR too low to fold, his 3b call range contains few 2s, and TT unlikely to jam. I would call here. Sucks that he had a 2, but it’s whatever. Also, HU you should never be bet/folding on this board with your hand and with this stack size. Either check behind or bet/call off.
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04-22-2019 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by VerdantDevil
SPR too low to fold, his 3b call range contains few 2s, and TT unlikely to jam. I would call here. Sucks that he had a 2, but it’s whatever. Also, HU you should never be bet/folding on this board with your hand and with this stack size. Either check behind or bet/call off.
I called he didn’t have a 2
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04-23-2019 , 07:07 AM
Call and hold vs KKxx with clubs
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04-24-2019 , 10:03 AM
First of all, you have to realize that if you 3-bet preflop then your hand is kind of face up (or will be assumed to be AA by most opponents). The fact that your opponent just called rules out AA for him, and usually KK as well (just calling with KK trying to flop a set makes no sense, but I've seen dumber things.) KK should be a fold or shove for him preflop.

This is fairly awkward territory because you haven't gotten in quite enough money to be really safe here. Normally you want to get in at least half your stack preflop. Assuming you are never folding AA from here (fair assumption), your opponent is getting the current pot plus the rest of your stack on a call should he outflop you. From his point of view, there is $535 in the pot and only $90 to call, and every hand he could possibly have is clearly worth calling here.

One option is to simply call and see a flop, hope to flop an A, flush draw or straight draw, etc. Another is to do what you did. Neither is really perfect at these SPRs. Believe it or not folding is not horrible either, but you probably have too much even though you're only single suited and have very low side cards, albeit possible (crappy) straight cards.

Once you do get yourself in this situation, you are committed. So your flop bet is debatable. Since the flop is a bit dead you can maybe get away a funny bet size, but normally the best thing to do is just autoshove here, or if you can't do that then bet pot and get close enough.
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04-25-2019 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by the_spike
First of all, you have to realize that if you 3-bet preflop then your hand is kind of face up (or will be assumed to be AA by most opponents). The fact that your opponent just called rules out AA for him, and usually KK as well (just calling with KK trying to flop a set makes no sense, but I've seen dumber things.) KK should be a fold or shove for him preflop.

This is fairly awkward territory because you haven't gotten in quite enough money to be really safe here. Normally you want to get in at least half your stack preflop. Assuming you are never folding AA from here (fair assumption), your opponent is getting the current pot plus the rest of your stack on a call should he outflop you. From his point of view, there is $535 in the pot and only $90 to call, and every hand he could possibly have is clearly worth calling here.

One option is to simply call and see a flop, hope to flop an A, flush draw or straight draw, etc. Another is to do what you did. Neither is really perfect at these SPRs. Believe it or not folding is not horrible either, but you probably have too much even though you're only single suited and have very low side cards, albeit possible (crappy) straight cards.

Once you do get yourself in this situation, you are committed. So your flop bet is debatable. Since the flop is a bit dead you can maybe get away a funny bet size, but normally the best thing to do is just autoshove here, or if you can't do that then bet pot and get close enough.
Say I didn’t 3 bet pre and this flop comes out and he bets pot I call and the turn is like a 7c and he pots it again. Would we be folding here since we block flushes and the board is paired meaning we could be drawing almost dead
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04-25-2019 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by xiPLEADthe5th
Say I didn’t 3 bet pre and this flop comes out and he bets pot I call and the turn is like a 7c and he pots it again. Would we be folding here since we block flushes and the board is paired meaning we could be drawing almost dead
i think what you describe here is a totally diffrent scenerio - when he is the PFR and bet pot pot on those kinds of board his hand range is so much wider pre then a hand that calls a 3-bet OOP - which in this case you have to fold in my opinion because -

35+35=70
he bets 70 flop
and 210 turn which leaves you with (500-35-70-210)185usd and i dont see to much fold equity with this lineby him consider your stack and of couese' you hold the Ac
afterward i would defently take note on this - but ' its not the case :P
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04-25-2019 , 09:14 AM
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. Believe it or not folding is not horrible either,

We have a top 2% hand on the button. Folding would be horrible.
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04-25-2019 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by xiPLEADthe5th
Few limpers CO bumps it up to 35 hero on the BTN with A♣ A♥ 3♥ 4♦ 3bets to 125 co calls

Flop (250) T♣ 2♣ 2♠
Co x hero cbets to 125 and co shoves
You created a situation where you are HU with SPR 2 planning to stack off on most safe flops. This is about as safe as you can get. At this SPR he will be shoving lots of hands you are flipping with. And sometimes you get a surprise and find out he has 2 or 4 outs.
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04-26-2019 , 01:31 PM
A good rule of thumb is any time you can get stack to pot ratio of 3 or less you should jam AA.

with $375 behind and a pot of $250 I don't see how you can fold. You have a 1.5 pot to stack ratio.
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04-26-2019 , 02:03 PM
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Believe it or not folding is not horrible either, ....


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04-26-2019 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by the_spike
Believe it or not folding is not horrible either

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04-26-2019 , 03:58 PM
For those curious about what happened.... I didnf fold. I called he had KKTT
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04-27-2019 , 10:47 AM
of course he had, if he had KK88 you wouldnt post the hand here
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04-28-2019 , 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by donkerr
of course he had, if he had KK88 you wouldnt post the hand here
I would’ve it was my first time playing PLO and wasn’t sure if I should be stacking off with a single pair and no redraw and also blocking the nit flush draw
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04-29-2019 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by donkerr
of course he had, if he had KK88 you wouldnt post the hand here

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04-29-2019 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
We have a top 2% hand on the button. Folding would be horrible.
I'm talking about bad aces in general, not this hand in this situation. Read the rest of the comment, don't take snippets.
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04-30-2019 , 06:21 AM
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I'm talking about bad aces in general,
No, you were discussing this hand in particular.
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