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ZOOM PLO50 easy fold with QUADS OTR? ZOOM PLO50 easy fold with QUADS OTR?

03-01-2014 , 08:22 PM
Villain is a reg. TAGGY, not overly Aggro. Range is pretty much QJ clubs or AAxx, but damn. I has QUADS!

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $22.25 (VPIP: 25.32, PFR: 15.90, 3Bet Preflop: 5.35, Hands: 1,833)
SB: $61.95 (VPIP: 28.38, PFR: 16.64, 3Bet Preflop: 4.72, Hands: 1,280)
Hero (BB): $50.00
UTG: $72.02 (VPIP: 36.33, PFR: 12.93, 3Bet Preflop: 6.63, Hands: 1,172)
MP: $252.02 (VPIP: 21.89, PFR: 12.87, 3Bet Preflop: 4.70, Hands: 5,723)
CO: $54.18 (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 19.18, 3Bet Preflop: 6.80, Hands: 14,222)

SB posts SB $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 8 K 3 K

UTG raises to $1.50, fold, CO calls $1.50, fold, SB calls $1.25, Hero calls $1.00

Flop: ($6.00, 4 players) K K T
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks

Turn: ($6.00, 4 players) A
SB checks, Hero bets $4.29, fold, CO raises to $14.75, fold, Hero calls $10.46

River: ($35.50, 2 players) A
Hero checks, CO bets $33.90, Hero
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03-01-2014 , 09:59 PM
Folding quads in omaha is like folding sets in holdem.... you just don't do it unless we are v deep and betting starts getting crazy.
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03-01-2014 , 10:36 PM
He's not taking this line with worse for value and I doubt many people bluff like this 4way.

I fold and feel good about it.
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03-01-2014 , 11:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Okke
He's not taking this line with worse for value and I doubt many people bluff like this 4way.

I fold and feel good about it.
I have 14k hands on this guy. I can't see him bluffing, his WWSF is only 42% and he is 4 tabling zoom.
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03-02-2014 , 01:33 AM
unlikely AA so pretty much only one combo that beats you

and wwsf not really relevant at all i'd say

QJ would likely induce rather than bomb river

i would call
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03-02-2014 , 01:40 AM
What is his range?
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03-02-2014 , 04:10 PM
Nuts+random spew. I can't fold here.
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03-02-2014 , 07:11 PM
or AT but ya tough fold. that raise on turn is puzzling
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03-02-2014 , 07:20 PM
lol not sure what plo50 zoom regs you guys know of that have bluffs here 4 ways. Maybe I'm folding too much, but still seem to crush this limit.

AT not in his range on the river, he would ch back. AA/QJcc and some QsJc that misread his hand, fold.
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03-02-2014 , 10:45 PM
dont really see anything you beat that he can have, turn raise is a bit weird though as i d expect him to call there with AA and the royal flush. the only halfway reasonable bluffing hand AT made a boat on the river and will probably check it down.
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03-02-2014 , 11:14 PM
Why is AA unlikely napsus? Think it's a pretty reasonable line for aa to take.

I'm in the fold camp
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03-03-2014 , 07:29 AM
Not that GTO is that relevant here but villain can make you fold your entire range with a single Qc or Jc blocker...

I bet nobody folds this in game btw.
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03-03-2014 , 08:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
Not that GTO is that relevant here but villain can make you fold your entire range with a single Qc or Jc blocker...
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03-03-2014 , 10:14 AM
lol I don't know why I stated something so obvious. Still, I wouldn't fold. Maybe bet flop in future if you're going to fold OTR?
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03-03-2014 , 10:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ndahlhoff10
Why is AA unlikely napsus? Think it's a pretty reasonable line for aa to take.

I'm in the fold camp
didnt 3b them pre on CO vs UTG open with bunch of nits left to act

do we get results just for ****s and giggles?
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03-03-2014 , 11:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VS_PKR
Villain is a reg. TAGGY, not overly Aggro. Range is pretty much QJ clubs or AAxx, but damn. I has QUADS!

CO: $54.18 (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 19.18, 3Bet Preflop: 6.80, Hands: 14,222)
Quote:
Originally Posted by napsus
didnt 3b them pre on CO vs UTG open with bunch of nits left to act
I agree with Napsus. 6.8% 3b and he didn't 3b in POSITION here with AA?
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03-03-2014 , 11:33 AM
Quote:
do we get results just for ****s and giggles?
SB posts SB $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 8 K 3 K

UTG raises to $1.50, fold, CO calls $1.50, fold, SB calls $1.25, Hero calls $1.00

Flop: ($6.00, 4 players) K K T
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks

Turn: ($6.00, 4 players) A
SB checks, Hero bets $4.29, fold, CO raises to $14.75, fold, Hero calls $10.46

River: ($35.50, 2 players) A
Hero checks, CO bets $33.90,

Spoiler:
fold

CO wins $35.50

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03-03-2014 , 02:58 PM
when hes blockerbluffing repping the straight flush at plo50 on that board, lol okay good luck to him i guess

folding is propably right, hero has good reads on villain so we can make a good fold here.

that said i would propably not be able to fold here unless im soulreading villain.
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03-03-2014 , 07:21 PM
This be a fold man. It's PL050 for crying out loud, I'd guess OP is sigh calling AA on the river!
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03-04-2014 , 09:01 AM
You only have just third nuts and he is showing extreme strength. He must have royal or quads often. You have a read that he is solid player, so you should fold.
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03-05-2014 , 05:14 AM
Such an easy fold imo
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03-07-2014 , 02:33 PM
Can't see myself folding. QcJc is one combo, so even if he bluffs a miniscule amount of the time with other hands, you have to call. What hands would he bluff with? Well, ATQc or ATJc are great candidates. PPT says ATQc or ATJc are together roughly as likely as QcJc.

It's impressive that you can find a fold here, and it might be a correct fold vs some player types, but I think given how few combos beat us, we have to start taking into account things like the probability of a misclick (OTT) or the probability that you have a misread on the player, or that he is playing drunk, or any other such things. When there's essentially one combo beating me, I think there is enough rando weird stuff in villain's range that I never find a fold.
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