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02-16-2024 , 05:25 PM
Yatahay Network - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 103.96 BB
CO: 187.72 BB
Hero (BTN): 234.72 BB
SB: 275.88 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 204.56 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T A 2 6

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3.4 BB, SB calls 3 BB, fold

Flop: (7.8 BB, 2 players) 9 8 2
SB checks, Hero bets 5.84 BB, SB raises to 25.32 BB, Hero calls 19.48 BB

Turn: (58.44 BB, 2 players) A
SB checks

Seems kinda lame to get check raised - i figured a free card was better but meh?
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02-16-2024 , 08:32 PM
As played, this is one of the best possible turns for Hero, i would bet for sure.

Checking flop is reasonable option, though depends on whether we think sb is playing a GTO range or not.
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02-16-2024 , 08:59 PM
i'm betting half pot

if you dodge a straight flush w diamonds then u have 13 cards to nut flush/full house and a backdoor straight w the 7 and already have 2 pair with Aces im not checking here ever
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02-16-2024 , 09:01 PM
I like betting flops I can easily call a check raise with, but at these low stakes games, someone usually has a combo draw or a set. Since I have the diamonds, a T, and a 6 - i was more inclined to think he had the 99 or 88.

Checking turn is probably less optimal than betting, but it does allow me to cooler him if he does have the diamonds and he would of folded on the turn.
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02-17-2024 , 07:38 AM
Getting check raised would be such a horrible result. I’m checking back.
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02-17-2024 , 10:56 AM
So the bettors are hoping he now check-calls a draw he raised on the flop I guess? Clear check for me and easy catch on many rivers. If you are not checking this, how are you defending rivers even?
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02-17-2024 , 01:57 PM
Bet half pot 100%

I find people betting big on these boards are more 2 pair inclined. Possible set.

You still have great redraw and equity vs sets and 2 pair. There is a lot to worry him coming on the river. Your lead shows great strength to barrel river on most cards.
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02-17-2024 , 04:47 PM
My expectations for this part of the forum was low but holy f
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02-17-2024 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by amok
So the bettors are hoping he now check-calls a draw he raised on the flop I guess? Clear check for me and easy catch on many rivers. If you are not checking this, how are you defending rivers even?
I in fact did end up checking - river was 3c and villian bets pot and I just fold

I'm on the fence though if just betting turn is better.

Can't see him checking turn with a hand that crushes me - who would give diamonds - JT - so many draws a free river?
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02-17-2024 , 09:40 PM
Why do you fold river if you think he wouldn't check turn with a hand that crushes you? Don't you think hands that have clubs and c/r:ed flop either 1)cr bluffed the flop and check when they turn more equity or 2)crush you.

It doesn't add up imo, I call that river and that is the reason you checked as you should. Don't listen to the beginners in this thread.
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02-17-2024 , 11:19 PM
Amok show some work if you think other posters are wrong.

Solvers are betting turn all day, as played. Hero should generally check flop, but when he hits favorable turn, he is supposed to charge worse draws.

Hand is too strong to get turned into a bluffcatcher. Villain almost never has a set after checking turn, but he has plenty of wraps, combos and 2p that will frequently continue.

I ran a sim using 100bb at flop hero, but deeper hero is only playing more agressive in position. On flop both check or bet are good options, though solver will often bet just like half pot.

That being said, i agree with call river as played.
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02-18-2024 , 03:15 AM
Too deep to bet turn, def snapping river and winning most of the time.
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02-18-2024 , 03:19 AM
While I agree turn feels like a bet, vs a good player who can check a set to you on perfect card for you to stab at feels like we are way too deep, if the money goes in on the turn after we stab we are nearly always in terrible shape; ie: sub 25%. Just my opinion obv.

Ps: hey Amok, you’re kind of obnoxious bro.
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02-18-2024 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Amok show some work if you think other posters are wrong. Solvers are betting turn all day, as played.
What can I even show you anymore? Glad you at least understand river is an obvious call, well probably because solver tells you so.

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Ps: hey Amok, you’re kind of obnoxious bro.
Hey. Could be. I am also genuinely surprised that the level of the analysis is roughly on par with what it was 15 years ago. Well, that plus some solver nerds who think it makes them understand how poker works.
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02-18-2024 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by djevans
I in fact did end up checking - river was 3c and villian bets pot and I just fold

I'm on the fence though if just betting turn is better.

Can't see him checking turn with a hand that crushes me - who would give diamonds - JT - so many draws a free river?
If he had a hand strong enough to cr flop and then picked up clubs don’t you think his hand would be so strong that he would bet turn?
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02-19-2024 , 01:22 AM
Call river with back door flush coming in?

Where is this omaha solver? I couldn't find one.
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02-19-2024 , 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by djevans
Call river with back door flush coming in?

Where is this omaha solver? I couldn't find one.
Missed this being a backdoor flush. Solver would fold as played, though it would not arrive at the river with your line. If we think villain overbluffs we can call though.

Against an unusual spot line like this from villain, I'm taking my time to decide, as a lot of villains might xr flop too light and feel like river is a mandatory bluff now.

I ran this sim on flophero, though you can do more advanced stuff in monker, or using various tools out there, including some on training sites.
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02-19-2024 , 09:50 AM
Not in the online streets, but an interesting hand for sure. A lot of 'what ifs' and options that depend on Player images and dynamics.


I think I bet this Flop a lot .. NOT GII by any means this deep as some Players may have plenty to run with here .. flush, gutter, pair .. but the danglers are bad as they connect to any wrap.

Turn takes some history .. KK with diamonds?, wrap, combo, set scared of flush/wrap. I do like getting folds, but I don't like getting x/r here either. Prob go the pot control route even though we do have Showdown value.

River is odd as 45 comes in .. but why blast a 'made' flush card and not the draw for it on Turn with the betting lead? Any 'nut' type flushes should/may have raised PF. Does V assume Hero has no BD flush draw since they didn't take back betting lead on Turn?

Could go either way on River .. Aces up is a bit of a bluff catcher now, but probably not priced in at the 33% win rate needed. GL
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02-19-2024 , 07:57 PM
I didn’t notice bdf came in either but tbh I’m probably more inclined to call it off lol.
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